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Circles and you...

Phlier

Active Member
As mentioned in a previous thread, I had been maintaining Unicot edges to shave with for the last year.

Not only is the Unicot method extremely easy, maintaining that edge is as easy as throwing on however many layers of tape you used to put the micro bevel on it, and doing a few laps on water. That's kept four razors shaving nicely for over a year.

Recently, I've gotten in to honing again.

Having only one really good prior success with Dilucot, I dove in.

Weapons of choice: A green coticule/bbw natural combo, and a very old vintage "Pike" brand coticule that I had promised myself I wouldn't use. Yeah, right. :)

Blades: Various old vintage ebay specials.

Obstacle to over come: shaky hands.

Even with my shaky hands, the Unicot method is a total cake walk. It is my strong opinion that anyone with opposable thumbs can put a smooth shaving edge using Bart's Unicot method. The Dilucot, however, seems to be a bit trickier.

I failed miserably in my recent attempts, never achieving a smooth shaver. Until last night. :) The key for me was circles. Circles are, thankfully, easy to do. Even for those of us with shaky hands.

I followed the complete Dilucot procedure on my 8"x3" green coticule, substituting circles for half X strokes. This morning's shave was awesome.

A couple of observations about circles...

My green coticule is an amazing finisher. However, using just water, it would (in the typical coticule way) never increase the keenness of a blade. Even with my shaky hand half X strokes. I just spent a couple hours working several different blades with just water on both the vintage Pike and green coticule using circles. Interestingly, with a lot of circles, the increase in keenness was very noticeable. The final keenness from the green coticule with water and circles was better from the green coticule than the vintage. Following the circles up with 40 x strokes left a very smooth edge.

Circles also seemed to decrease the sensitivity to not diluting the slurry with extreme accuracy. Unless I waaay over diluted, I didn't have much of a problem.

If there's anyone around here struggling with the Dilucot method, circles might be something to try out, especially if you're not capable of doing half x strokes correctly (as in my case).

FWIW...
 

danjared

Well-Known Member
It sounds like it's probably easier for you to apply sufficient pressure with a circular motion. I'm glad you're having more success!

By the way, would you mind posting a picture or two of your Pike coticule? I have one and am curious what others look like.
 

Phlier

Active Member
danjared said:
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Will do.

I bought this one from ebay a few years back. It came in the original Pike packaging, which was in the process of disintegrating. Unfortunately, the packaging didn't survive our latest move. :cry: I meant to wax treat the packaging in an attempt to save it, but never got around to it.

The Pike I have is an *extremely* fast stone. Like, seriously fast. It'll turn a slurry dark with metal in no time. It's a tremendous bevel setter. I just wish it was a bit wider... it's less than two inches wide.

I've tried using it as a slurry stone on my hard green coticule with great results. It seems like I'd heard that the type of stone used to raise a slurry doesn't matter, but I kinda have to disagree with that. Using the soft Pike as a slurry maker on my hard green coticule makes my green cut almost as fast as the Pike. The Pike, being much softer, donates it's garnets to the slurry raised on the green.

It's such a fast bevel setter that I should probably make a video of it when I get the chance. Yeah... it's *that* fast.

Edit: Just snapped these pics real quick.

I took two with a flash, but the color didn't come out well. I wanted to show the true green color of my La Verte, but by disabling the flash, all I really managed to do was make the photo blurry from hand shake, show how dirty my honing towel is, and the color still isn't that close.

In the one pic, you can see how thin the Pike is getting on the one side. :(

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Phlier

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emmanuel said:
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Hi Emmanuel! :)

I just read your post. What a great read it was! Seems like, as Bart said, I re-invented what you have already been doing for years. It's a very effective method, for sure.

Thanks,

--FP
 

danjared

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Yeah, my Pike is extremely fast, too, even on water. There are pictures of mine here:
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. I'm curious if yours resembles mine by any chance. I'll have to compare it to my La Petite Blanche and a fast Les Latneuses, I have, as both are very fast too.
 

pinklather

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Circles are great - especially if you're not that steady or smooth in a stroke. All the more so w/ smiling blades. My asagi is VERY slow, but gives a lovely edge - just not on heavy sheffields. 100-150 circles/side is the norm for finishing. I hope to enjoy the technique w/ a belgian rock at some point.
 

Jens

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Circles certainly have their place.
Actually, for someone just starting out, circles might be easier then the x-strokes.
 
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