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I think I'm back on track!

jfdupuis

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Well after some "light" frustration with my Super Doll razor, I figured I would watch Bart's video again to see if I could spot something that would help..Well I think I might have figured what the problem was! After I got the razor to shave hair properly, I would add too little water during my dilution! I noticed that Bart would let 2-3 drops go on the stone at a time where I was putting one or maybe two.. Adding a bit more water after each dilution got the razor to give me a HHT-1 after the hone and a pretty decent HHT 3 after stropping. As I only realized that fairly late last night, I did not get a chance to do a proper amount of passes on water only. I'm sure when I try an additional 50-100 passes on water/lather tonight, I'll get even better results!

My only "negative" was that I dropped my slurry stone on the floor and it chipped the two corners pretty badly. It's still useable, but it's not perfect.

JF
 
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Jean Francois You you heve rouding the stone corners with a DMT and thats all You are close to perfect as far as the honing.
Emmanuel
 

jfdupuis

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thanks! I think my past success with the stone was a result of adding more water with it. I guess you get rusty and forget proper techniques when you don't hone anything for a few weeks. I just ordered a new slurry stone from Jarrod at Superiorshave. Based on how my H. Diamond #1000 shaves, I think this one could very be a heck of a razor as well. I'll try more passes on water only tonight to see if it improves the HHT results.

JF
 

jfdupuis

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Lol! well looks like I'm gonna have to restart again tonight! I went home for lunch and thought I would give it a few more passes on water. Did about 40 of those and got a pretty decent HHT. After reading Bart's post on lather I thought eh what the heck let's lather up some cella. I put a fairly thick coat of lather on the hone and did a few passes. By the time I reached the 4-5 pass, the lather got sort of uneven and so did my stroke. A few "grinding sounds" later and I figured well maybe I should add some water instead. Did another 20 passes with watery lather and stropped. Unfortunately, the results were far from good and even worst than they were before the lather. I think I'll have to create a light slurry and work up another dilution. Oh well it's part of the fun I guess. Hopefully I can fix it fairly easily.

JF
 

RicTic

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Had a similar experience with Bart's lather technique, but without the grinding sounds.
I gave it a try trying to squeeze more out of a Boker, but only succeeded in reversing what I achieved previously.
My attempt was on the fast side of the Les Latneuses. I'm wondering if it's more successful off a smoother hone?
Chances are, it's just me...
 

jfdupuis

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It wasn't a very loud grinding sound, but I could feel some unwanted resistance. At least now I think I remember how to get good results with the dilucot. If I hadn't started at 11pm last night I would have finished the entire blade. Do you guys think I should go with light misty slurry or start all over again? I do know that I'll go to Home Depot and get some quality 3M tape. The blue one I used last night doesn't stick very well. That's what you get when you buy a 3 roll pack for $3 at Walmart.
 

RicTic

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If it was me, I'd go back to misty slurry first and see how that goes.
Sounds like you were almost there before the lather.
 

Bart

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Don't use Cella. You need a hard shaving soap. (Cella might work, I didn't test it, but creams definitely do not work)
I'm now trying to rub the surface with a shaving stick, much like you would rub with a slurry stone. It seems to work better than with a brush, but I've only tried that twice.

The trick is to have the kind of coat that dried over 30-40 laps. By the end of it, you're done.

Jean-françois, that grinding sound probably comes from accidentally lifting the spine.

Kind regards,
Bart.
 

RicTic

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Bart. Am I right in understanding that we stop honing once the lather is dry, or is the idea to continue with more laps?
 

tat2Ralfy

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30 to 40 more laps once the soap has dried, and yes it feels as odd as it sounds ... Lol

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
 

TM280

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Well, I guess everyone ran for their rocks...:p

I tried this yesterday on a Les Latneuses that I do not yet know (found rock that,after lapping, wound up half hybrid and half creamy on the same side...) with MWF. Before it got dry I realized there was slurry in the soap, a good bit it seemed.
Maybe it took the edge down? Not quite sure but I re-did 60 laps on plain water afterwards anyway, so I must have not been too happy with it. Soap stick sounds like a good idea...

I do know that I have had phenomenal results off of dry coticules, most clearly and consistently from a La Grise combo I have (both sides). This seems to be a variant of dry honing?

But I didn't like the soap/slurry thing. I should try on another hone...

regards,
Torolf
 

RicTic

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TM280 said:
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Just for the record. Same experience, exactly.
Same coticule, same soap, same result.

That's why I asked about an alternative hone for better results.

@Bart...a vid would be perfect!!!
 

life2short1971

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I just tried your lather method with a razor I can never hht and a bout that has beyond my skill until now and I had remarkable results. I used the moos by the way painted on thick and started with it wet and ended about 40 laps dry with not much success. I ran the brush over the coticule to moisten again and ended damp this time with amazing results.After stropping I have never had this blade so sharp. Thanks!!!
 

jkh

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Bart said:
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I have yet to try the lather trick, but when after reading your method the first thing that popped in my mind was rubbing a soap stick (on its side) to coat the hone. I suppose Palmolive will be your weapon of choice? :D

EDIT: Bart, when you are rubbing the coticule with the soap stick is there any water involved in the process?
 

life2short1971

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My moos is in a bowl. I used an old boar brush to work up a froth thicker than I would shave with and painted it on. My razor barely touched the hone from hydroplaning on the thick lather I had.
 

Bart

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Palmolive is much too good for that. :) (though I have tried it and it works)
I use a mixture of a couple of hard soaps that I didn't like and hoped to like better after I mixed them. It failed, so now I'm stick with this block of soap that I use to wash my hands and for lathering Coticules.

Kind regards,
Bart.
 

Bart

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That's exactly how it works for me. Somehow, you have to manage to smother the surface of the hone with a coat of soap, with the edge riding on top, only barely touching the exposed peaks of the surface. It's not that difficult, but it does take a minimum of figuring out.

Thanks for posting about your success,

Bart.
 

jfdupuis

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Took the Super Doll back to the stone with my newly purchased 3M tape. It's a lot more expensive than the stuff I usually buy but it's worth the extra $$. After a bit of experimentation and a total of 1 layer of tape, the razor is passing the HHT with ease. Can't wait to shave with it in the morning.

On another note, I finally decided to use a cheese grader and make my own puck of Irish Moos and Palmolive. I had an empty Tabac container laying around and it's perfect. I know a lot of people enjoy shaving sticks, but I'm certainly not one of them.

My next one might be MWF + Speick...we'll see how my first experiment turns out.

Cheers,

JF
 
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