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A coarse stone to start the job...

I think (but Emmanuel can confirm) that these stones are sometimes called Turkey stones because Greece once belong to Ottoman Empire.
Just a pic of my stones
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Emmanuel, I have no doubt that these stones are as fine as you say. The problem I saw to use them as finisher was the presence of straight line at the surface but arabic gum or another recipe should solve it. Another difficulty for me with this stone is to find the right slurry and the right slurry density. The feeling of the slurry made by 240 grits sandpaper is very different from that of a LPB slurry stone, even visually. The sandpaper slurry looks like cement in water, the cretan one like misty finer cement and the LPB one as cotiule slurry. What I experienced is these hone can cut fast with slurry (but I couldn't say what kind of slurry or slurry consistency is the best) ans leave a very smooth edge with water but I have only worked with knives.
 
The garnets of this hone are transparent that's why you ll never see a very milky slurry ,bat you can feel it easily , at the beginning is thicker but during dilution becomes thinner and thinner.Without arabic gum as Bart discovered ( i have to try it)i can reach a HHT 1 then i jump to the coticule without slurry getting a perfect edge. Does not exist mine in Turkey which produces any hone.Mentioned hone was called by some .oriental hone or hone of orient or something like this.
maybe because the mine is located in the Eastern Crete thus interpreted that the hone comes from turkish territory.That's all.But many times I saw in the e-market very dark hones like black or dark blue described as turkish hone,but i don't believe that the person describing these goods are able to do it.So generated confusion to the general public.
Best regards
Emmanuel
 
The fact that the abrasive particles are transparent is a bit difficult for me.
How many rubs at least with another cretan hone or a coticule slurry stone is required to get a slurry with 800 grits properties?

I have found a "similar" hone ( especially the second picture) here after years of use with oil maybe.

What kind of oil was used with these cretan oil was it olive oil or a kind of petroleum product?

best regards

Laurent
 
Normaly the stone was used with olive oil but for my opinion do not try it.The stone has pores and then you can more use it with water. Did you try to produce slurry by a DMT ?Do it keep me informed.
Best regards
Emmanuel
 
Emmanuel,

I'm not intending to use this stone with oil but was just curious to know what ancient greek used on these cretan hones. A lot of people consider that on oil stone you have to use petrol for lamp and not oil.

I don't have any dmt, I can produce a good slurry with 280 grit w/d sand paper and a misty slurry rubbing my little cretan on my bigger? with both method it gives me the feeling to hone on something like sand the with dilution this feeling decreases.

Best regards

Laurent
 
Laurent try this way: Dull an old razor. Hone the razor without any slurry ( refresh the stone with a slurry stone but rince well)on a Cretan until you have HHT 1.Jump to coticule without slurry too performing some half strokes set and then the normal way of x strokes.I suggest on La veinette and not LPB. The result will be divine .
Best regards
Emmanuel
 
Emmanuel said:
Whats that ,the letter D transformed to laugh without my desire ?
Best regards
Emmanuel
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[raw]:D[/raw] without a space between the colon and the D, is the code for a laughing smiley. :D
If you put a space in between them :) D), as international punctuation convention prescribes, there will be no problem. (I edited your post for you already).

Kind regards,
Bart.
 
Emmanuel,

I have dulled a unicot edge razor (I have never managed to get a good dilucot edge on it : maybe the bevel was too wide for my skill) and performed 50/60 X-trokes on water only on my little(11cm*5cm) cretan hone. After 50/60 X-strokes my razor shaved armhair easily, then I add a drop of dish washer to the water and did another 50 X-strokes and get a faint HHT-1 from the hone. Then I go to my La Veinette on water only but could not do better than on my last attempt (some monthes ago) HHT-3 at the ends of the blade and HHT-2 in the middle, off the hone.
So very interesting stone, but can't change a mediocre coticule user into a wizard:D

Best regards

Laurent
 
I did another attempt on the same razor with the Cretan hone today with only water and get a clear HHT-1 from it. Then La Veinette on water only,but just a little improvment just a weak HHT-3 off my coticule.

Regards

Laurent
 
Laurent ,if you reach a solid HHT 3 on La veinette its a good result.:thumbup: Normally you ll take a HHT 4 after stropping .That's all you need.After dulling reaching a HHT1 on Cretan hone it is really miracle.As Bart said having a Cretan hone plus coticule you are completely covered,and don't forget that both are realy natutal hones.
Best regards
Emmanuel
 
Bart said:
Emmanuel said:
Whats that ,the letter D transformed to laugh without my desire ?
Best regards
Emmanuel
Click to expand...
[raw]:D[/raw] without a space between the colon and the D, is the code for a laughing smiley. :D
If you put a space in between them :) D), as international punctuation convention prescribes, there will be no problem. (I edited your post for you already).

Kind regards,
Bart.
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Thanks Bart.
Emmanuel
 
Emmanuel said:
After dulling reaching a HHT1 on Cretan hone it is really miracle
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maybe beginner's luck or maybe as this second attempt was made on a dilucot dulled edge it was more easy?
But you know that my HHT scale is weaker than yours:blush: .

Best Regards

Laurent
 
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