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First Dilucot with no. 16

sounds good dave i,ve been finishing on my blanch and doing most of the work on my no 3 as it cuts much quiker so its anice combination for me. I have to say i've worked on quite athew razors now and i never get a razor that does'nt become shave ready.I have also only added extra honing that being issars paste or cro ox or both which on some razors it as made agreat differance that i like and some cases i've actualy thought the razor was not as nice as before or just the same or very hard to notice any differance but its all worth trying to compare. I rehoned by prima klang just on dilucot method no paste and the shave is outstanding the razor floats across my face troble is i'm now trying to match that and i probably won't because all razors sharpen up and feel differant. This is what i'm finding but i have to say cr ox and my issards are very handy to have around and there no arm in using them if needed, you have your jap stone it will more than likley come in handy on some razors because your use to it. i have to say i do recomend issards paste highly it finishes a razor as good as any high grit stone i have tryed
 
garyhaywood said:
sounds good dave i,ve been finishing on my blanch and doing most of the work on my no 3 as it cuts much quiker so its anice combination for me. I have to say i've worked on quite athew razors now and i never get a razor that does'nt become shave ready.I have also only added extra honing that being issars paste or cro ox or both which on some razors it as made agreat differance that i like and some cases i've actualy thought the razor was not as nice as before or just the same or very hard to notice any differance but its all worth trying to compare. I rehoned by prima klang just on dilucot method no paste and the shave is outstanding the razor floats across my face troble is i'm now trying to match that and i probably won't because all razors sharpen up and feel differant. This is what i'm finding but i have to say cr ox and my issards are very handy to have around and there no arm in using them if needed, you have your jap stone it will more than likley come in handy on some razors because your use to it. i have to say i do recomend issards paste highly it finishes a razor as good as any high grit stone i have tryed
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I think this is where your experience comes in Gary, knowing what to do for each razor. As you said, "all razors sharpen up and feel different." I think that's what makes honing a challenge if you're doing it for a hobby.

I only have a handful of razors, so when I want to try honing one of them, I have to dull it first. :p Didn't you mention somewhere Gary that you dull and re-hone a razor at least once a week? That's great practice, I don't think I could keep that up.

I just like honing for fun. I actually have one razor that it REALLY worn and I've denoted it the test razor. Whenever I'm bored but don't feel like doing a proper honing, I whip out this test razor and just start honing with a coticule just for fun. I don't care if it gets sharp, I just do it for the feel and to get to use a stone. :p
 
i only use DA mainly i'd never redull my top razors every week i've redulled most of them twice at the most just to put a coticule edge on them i have probably 6 all together 3 now being da 's i will work on those 3 from now on and do one unicot one dilucot and one dilucot plus paste see how it goes and just compare the shaves.i'll let you no
 
garyhaywood said:
i only use DA mainly i'd never redull my top razors every week i've redulled most of them twice at the most just to put a coticule edge on them i have probably 6 all together 3 now being da 's i will work on those 3 from now on and do one unicot one dilucot and one dilucot plus paste see how it goes and just compare the shaves.i'll let you no
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That's a great way of testing different honing methods, using 3 of the same razors. :thumbup: Please let us know how it goes.
 
will do i will use one that bart has sent honed by him self the other two by my self unicot method and dilucot method plus issards paste and then i will add just cro.ox to barts honed razor and see if there is a differance i will judge them all on the hht and then the shave its self which one i preferd
 
DA nu 1 honed by my self method dilucot plus 10 laps issards on my canvas strop razor was dulled to begin with.

this is before i added 10 laps of issards paste and after 50 linen 50 latigo HHT medium hair exallant/HHT finer hair exallant/ ultra fine hair no go after 10 laps on issards and strop HHT passing all the way and easily on ultra fine hair. After dilucot method HHT on medium and fine hair was exallant on ultra fine hair hardly ever passed. after issards paste passed easily bearing in mind i have barts da which he has honed and i am working from to compare HHT as bench mark and his honed DA is passing hht of dilucot method on the same ultra fine hair easily so i no its possible. I tryed every thing but i just could'nt quit manage it i no i was a smidge away but could not get there with out issards. He must of a magic strop and touch.


DA nu 2 Honed by bart him self dilucot method

HHT medium hair exallant same on finer hair and exallant on ultra fine hair it sounds strange but the razor seemed to pas easier on the finer, the hair got.

as i said above i matched his razor all the way but not on the same piece of ultra fine hair.


DA nu 3 unicot method on factory edge. HHT exallant all the way.

I found this method so quik and easy. HHt of the hone was amazing i always find hht of unicot method is easily reached and after stropping was easily hitting 5 on ultra fine hair. Its a real good short cut for maximum keeness that carn't fail if done correctly


i have not shaved yet i will and i will report back with the results should be interesting. I want to test each razor on a two day growth. i have to say i prefer single bevel that just me but the unicot method has to be the qukest and more consistant method i have tryed with coticule. i could easily hone several razors a day with this method. Dilucot method i'd be nakerd if i did 10. Bart you must be a very busy man honing all these DA s.


Right just had shave with razor 3 unicot method and the shave was very good no pulling at all very close and smooth but a little crispy.


shaved the other side of my face with razor nu 2 honed by bart dlicot mthod the shave was very good no pulling and gave me a close shave once agian. The only differance i could tell was this razor was smoother this is one of my only problems i get sharp eought but i do find my razors don't always reach the full on smoothness. this is one thing i need to work on squeezing that extra smoothness out of my razors. i will compare nu 2 and my nu 1 next time round.
 
HEy guys,

I got a new stone coming in. Our very own Straightrazordave was kind enough to send me his natural combo stone! It's a nice little stone. Can't wait to give her a spin!

JF
 
jfdupuis said:
HEy guys,

I got a new stone coming in. Our very own Straightrazordave was kind enough to send me his natural combo stone! It's a nice little stone. Can't wait to give her a spin!

JF
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Well I sold it to you, I'm no where near rich enough to be able to afford to just give coticules away. :lol:

It's the same stone that I got from Gary not long ago, so I'm sure he can also vouch for it being a good little stone. :thumbup:
 
yes that one i got from rob and sold to dave it is a kosher grade in fact innearly brought it back its a nice smooth hone to hone on you will like it.
 
Well I used this coticule on a couple more razors today. I re-honed the Geneva that I previously honed with this coticule, but this time really took my time. After dulling it lightly on glass, I did many diagonal strokes on the coti with fairly heavy slurry. The slurry turns gray very quickly doing this, and I did each side many times. I didn't really count the number of laps at this stage, but I kept the number of strokes per side the same. I tested the edge several times, but stopped when it was cutting arm hair quite well along the entire length of the blade.

So after the bevel was set, my procedure was: Do 50 laps, add a drop of water from the tip of my finger that was dipped in a glass of water, then 50 laps, add drop of water....etc....I did this until the slurry was non-existent, which took about 15 of these little dilutions. I then just rinsed the hone off (not rubbing all of the slurry off), and did another 50 assuming there was a SLIGHT bit of slurry left. The water turned gray ever so slightly, so it was doing a bit of cutting. Then I totally rinsed and rubbed the hone off, and cleaned the razor. I did about 150-200 more laps using just clean water on the coticule. I then stropped 100 times linen, and 100 times leather. I know it doesn't mean it will shave well, but I looked at the edge under 30x, and it looked VERY uniform and a nice even scratch pattern.

For the other razor I honed using no. 16, it's a 6/8" Clauss. I did pretty much the same procedure as the Geneva, except I found that after about 10-11 dilutions the slurry was all gone. Maybe I just had a thinner slurry to start off with, I dunno. But it still took a while for the water to get pretty clear on the top of the hone. The only thing I did differently with this razor is that I gave it 100 laps on my Nakayama afterwards. I don't know why, I kind of introduced another variable into the equation....

So as far as the shave went. The Geneva shaved WONDERFULLY!!! Better than the first time I tried the dilucot on it. It shaved as well or better this time as it did even after I gave it the 100 laps on my Nakayama after the first dilucot attempt on it. So I got as good of a shave using just this coticule as before when I finished on my Nakayama. I think by doing the slower dilution this time I squeezed out that little bit of sharpness that my Nakayama had to pick up the slack with before. :thumbup:

The Clauss shaved well too, but not as well as the Geneva. It still shaved really well, maybe it's just that I'm not used to using 6/8" razors. :p But it did shave very well, and left my skin feeling comfortable.

So all in all, I'm loving this coticule more and more, and I've easily gotten my best shaves using razors sharpening on it using the dilucot method. I admit that it does take time for this method, but I like spending the time and using this stone, very pleasurable.

I only wonder how much better I will get with this stone over time!:D
 
Great job Dave! Sounds like you are off to a good start. I would highly recommend though that you try to stick to one stone only, at least for a while.

If you think your shave was smooth now, just wait until you hit your 100th honing...

As Ralfy would say HaHaHaHa.....

Enjoy!

Ray
 
i get great shaves of dilucot it does take loads of laps but thats why i practiced it at least twice aweek somtimes more and before you no it your honing strokes get a little quiker you will tend to use less laps early on and more towards the end as the slurry gets thinner it cuts much slower needing more laps towards the end.
 
HaHaHaHa

I found that I was using lighter and lighter strokes toward the end, and tbh it didnt suit my coti at all, I dont mean I have to lean on it but I need to use steady light pressure even on water, if I dont use at least the weight of the blade the edge just wont cut it (sic) but I do a lot more laps too, I used the dilocut on one of the 1st razors I bought and honed, earlier today and worked out that from start to finish I did close to 1000, yes thats 1000! strokes, took under an hour and before I stropped the HHT was a catch and pop pop pop.

Hahahaha
 
1000 strokes is a lot, but it's still within range. B) Most razors take me between 30 and a few hundred half strokes. The dilucot phase takes about 200 to 300 strokes total depending on the size of the hone. Finishing 2 X 50. If the razor is a stubborn on, finishing might require some additional laps. On average 15 to 20 minutes.

Cheers,
Bart.
 
I've just had ago at that double arrow twice now once yesterday and my hht still was'nt catching those extra fine ones like the da you honed up bart. Tonight i did'nt faf around realy set the bevel after redulling and got to work with dilution took me aprox 45 minutes roughly i diluted untill i could hardly feel any abrasion rinsed coti then cleaned coti and finished . i did'nt count laps but diluted when before slurry raegained any thickness and i had a good drag of resistants against the blade i reckon i did 3 to 4 hundred laps using very quik strokes.

This time hht on very same fine hairs i could pass easily as barts razor could so i cracked it this time carn't wait to see how it shaves i'm hoping for realy smooth shave.

Its strange but for some reason i had a feeling this time the razor was where i wanted it to be.

I have tryed every thing on these da for improvmant ultra light pressure short strokes back stroping . I like ralfy says have never noticed any better edge by using ultra light strokes i like to use enough pressure just to keep the razor to the hone and move the blade swiftly over the hone never pushing down of course but just enough to keep the blade on the hone.

I think the differance may of been a better set bevel from the start and working right the way to the end where i could not feel hardly any abrasion which bart pointed out.
 
Bart said:
1000 strokes is a lot, but it's still within range. B) Most razors take me between 30 and a few hundred half strokes. The dilucot phase takes about 200 to 300 strokes total depending on the size of the hone. Finishing 2 X 50. If the razor is a stubborn on, finishing might require some additional laps. On average 15 to 20 minutes.

Cheers,
Bart.
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Show off! hahahaha

No seriously I did mess around a lot toward the end using lighter strokes so that would account for a large percentage of the strokes and the time taken B)
 
garyhaywood said:
This time hht on very same fine hairs i could pass easily as barts razor could so i cracked it this time carn't wait to see how it shaves i'm hoping for realy smooth shave.

Its strange but for some reason i had a feeling this time the razor was where i wanted it to be.
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:thumbup: Great work, Gary.
Thumbs up for a great shave.
At the level, we're talking about, it's really all about very small differences, that nevertheless have their influence on how the razor performs. When I have this unknown razor or unknown hone that I'm struggling with to meet my standards, I really bounce back and forth between being there and being not quite there. Once, I'm satisfied, I might do something else that sets the blade back with the least possible amount. And repeat my last step. Back and forth... As if I'm exercising the steel to take this edge. I really helps you to develop a feel for that last 0.05 micron of keenness.

Bart.
 
rayman said:
Great job Dave! Sounds like you are off to a good start. I would highly recommend though that you try to stick to one stone only, at least for a while.

If you think your shave was smooth now, just wait until you hit your 100th honing...

As Ralfy would say HaHaHaHa.....

Enjoy!

Ray
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I really think I'll take you up on that advice. I think I will seriously have to put away my other coticules to resist the temptation to use them....But I do see how using just one stone will really force you to improve with that stone. I've only used this stone a few times, and I've already seen an improvement with it (based on honing the same razor twice on it), so I can easily see how using it exclusively will help me "tune in" a little more into this stone over time.

But I must say, the shave that I got from that Geneva that I honed using the dilucot on this stone really did leave me "with nothing to be desired", as Bart would say. I don't doubt that if I got the same razor honed by Bart on this stone that it would be an even better shave, but I can safely say that if I get shaves like the one I got from when I honed it for the rest of my life, I would be happy. So definitely estatic about my results, and even happier with the prospects of even better shaves! B)

I just wanted to say that coticules and this site rock!!!! Couldn't have done it without you all, thank you, and especially thanks to Bart. :thumbup:
 
Bart said:
garyhaywood said:
This time hht on very same fine hairs i could pass easily as barts razor could so i cracked it this time carn't wait to see how it shaves i'm hoping for realy smooth shave.

Its strange but for some reason i had a feeling this time the razor was where i wanted it to be.
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:thumbup: Great work, Gary.
Thumbs up for a great shave.
At the level, we're talking about, it's really all about very small differences, that nevertheless have their influence on how the razor performs. When I have this unknown razor or unknown hone that I'm struggling with to meet my standards, I really bounce back and forth between being there and being not quite there. Once, I'm satisfied, I might do something else that sets the blade back with the least possible amount. And repeat my last step. Back and forth... As if I'm exercising the steel to take this edge. I really helps you to develop a feel for that last 0.05 micron of keenness.

the shave was nice and smooth after the shave my skin was like it never had a razor across it that is the great thing about the edge coticule leaves.

I was talking to jim the old barber today as he came in for a trim. He actualy said after the rouge paste they used it left a a bite to the edge but he also said the first shave after honing was'nt always the best he said it could take a 1 and 5 shaves and the shaves got better i have found this to be very true.

Bart.
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