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[garyhaywood]

Look now what was just added to the Dilucot article...
http://www.coticule.be/dilucot-honing-method.html

Thank you, Gary! :thumbup:

Bart.

ah thats great:thumbup: cheers bart

 

[RicTic]

Any way i had a lea grelot 6/8. and using the new dilucot method . i struggled like hell to get a good edge, i could not for the life of me get a good edge of this ti. So i posted and searched for advice.

bart recomends the taped version . to make for a stronger edge that does'nt chip. so i set bevel with one layer of tape. added second layer and finish with unicot. the result was ultra sharp and a great shave so it worked very well and easily.

me being me still wanted to acheive a dilucot result on this razor.

I can identify with that sentiment.

...so i took it to my my hybrid and i dilucoted with no tape. the hht was unreal and the shave was also exallant. i have dilucoted every ti above plus one for a guy of srp that he struggled with and the results have been perfect. the guy who sent me his ti said it s the best shaving razor he now has. infact he is now honing with coticule and i think he has joined up on this forum.

so i don't use tape. my advice for honing a ti . would be use a little pressure a little more than normal do plenty of dilutions and dilute very sl;ow . its the pressure honing that made all the differance. just keep your eye on bevel as you don't want to make it grow un evenly. the ti's don't flex so you should be ok but just keep your eye on things also up the laps .

gary

^ This is exactly what I wanted to hear.
I was reluctant to attempt dilucot with no tape on my Le Grelot, having heard about the difficulties.
I've not had it that long and didn't want to risk any unnecessary hone wear etc. trying to find out for myself.
Any other of my razors and they'd have got the treatment, without much thought to the consequences.
I like to find things out for myself, but had doubts with trying it out on one of my favourites. :/
Thanks for taking the time to reply in such detail Gary.
I'll be taking my Le Grelot to the hybrid side of my hone with confidence the next chance I get. :thumbup:

Many thanks (again)

David.

 

[garyhaywood]

Any way i had a lea grelot 6/8. and using the new dilucot method . i struggled like hell to get a good edge, i could not for the life of me get a good edge of this ti. So i posted and searched for advice.

bart recomends the taped version . to make for a stronger edge that does'nt chip. so i set bevel with one layer of tape. added second layer and finish with unicot. the result was ultra sharp and a great shave so it worked very well and easily.

me being me still wanted to acheive a dilucot result on this razor.

I can identify with that sentiment.

...so i took it to my my hybrid and i dilucoted with no tape. the hht was unreal and the shave was also exallant. i have dilucoted every ti above plus one for a guy of srp that he struggled with and the results have been perfect. the guy who sent me his ti said it s the best shaving razor he now has. infact he is now honing with coticule and i think he has joined up on this forum.

so i don't use tape. my advice for honing a ti . would be use a little pressure a little more than normal do plenty of dilutions and dilute very sl;ow . its the pressure honing that made all the differance. just keep your eye on bevel as you don't want to make it grow un evenly. the ti's don't flex so you should be ok but just keep your eye on things also up the laps .

gary

^ This is exactly what I wanted to hear.
I was reluctant to attempt dilucot with no tape on my Le Grelot, having heard about the difficulties.
I've not had it that long and didn't want to risk any unnecessary hone wear etc. trying to find out for myself.
Any other of my razors and they'd have got the treatment, without much thought to the consequences.
I like to find things out for myself, but had doubts with trying it out on one of my favourites. :/
Thanks for taking the time to reply in such detail Gary.
I'll be taking my Le Grelot to the hybrid side of my hone with confidence the next chance I get. :thumbup:

Many thanks (again)

David.

dave wher did you get your le grelot from? was it brand new? if so what did it shave like out of the box?

 

[RicTic]

I got it from Rasurpur. It was one of the 6/8" 3/4 historical Le Grelots and it came shave ready.
The shave off this razor (out of the box) was not as smooth as a coticule finish, but very sharp and left my skin feeling like glass after a close shave.
If that makes any sense?

 

[garyhaywood]

yes mine was the same from raspurs.there finished on bio sharpening paste. i found the edge out of the box no wear near smooth as coticule. if you touch it up on coticule . i'd recomend using black marker on the bevel. you may find the hone may or may not in parts contact the very edge due to pasteing.

 

[RicTic]

... if you touch it up on coticule . i'd recomend using black marker on the bevel. you may find the hone may or may not in parts contact the very edge due to pasteing.

Cheers Gary. That may explain why I had little success touching the razor up for the first time.

 

[Bart]

... if you touch it up on coticule . i'd recomend using black marker on the bevel. you may find the hone may or may not in parts contact the very edge due to pasteing.

Cheers Gary. That may explain why I had little success touching the razor up for the first time.

Indeed, most "honemeister's edges" have seen some kind of pasted use and don't respond to a touch up on a Coticule with water.

In that respect, I don't really understand the aversion for tape, because it basically does the same as pasted strop of finishing, with the advantage that one still can touch up on the hone, as long as the tape is reapplied.

Gary, once again great advice for the Thiers Issards.:thumbup: It's true that I tape them all, but the micro-chipping issues I've experienced when honed without tape, were all on the "new forgings" with higher carbon content and hardened to a higher degree than the other ones. The micro-chipping did not show after honing, but build up during the first shave(s). The bevel angle increase of 2 layers solved the problem for me, and I believe those 2 layers more or less match the bevel angle increase caused by a good pasted stropping. The Legrelots and non "new forgings" TI's don't show this behavior, but I still hone them with Unicot, because I don't always have to knowledge to recognize a TI as new forgings or not, and because I still like to do a Unicot occasionally.

Kind regards,
Bart.

 

[Woodash]

...my advice for honing a ti . would be use a little pressure a little more than normal do plenty of dilutions and dilute very sl;ow . its the pressure honing that made all the differance. just keep your eye on bevel as you don't want to make it grow un evenly. the ti's don't flex so you should be ok but just keep your eye on things also up the laps .
gary

I find this interesting, Gary. You recommend the same pressure for both the LeGrelot and the New Forgings?

I found something peculiar with my TI ('carbonsong'). It came shave-ready, but after some months, I gave it a few whacks with water on stone. I noticed that the full bevel was not being polished - a slightly steeper, secondary bevel was trying to form. I used no tape, but the blade geometry (spine width, etc.) just demanded a steeper bevel.

In other words, the existing bevel - as it came to me - seemed to be flatter than the geometry of the blade would dictate.

I'm still trying to figure that one out, but I ended up just resetting the bevel and re-honing. Still haven't really bonded with this razor. Anyone ever see anything like this? :blink:

 

[Bart]

In other words, the existing bevel - as it came to me - seemed to be flatter than the geometry of the blade would dictate.

I'm still trying to figure that one out, but rather than creating a secondary bevel, I ended up resetting the bevel and re-honing. Anyone ever see anything like this? :blink:

Yes, but that turned out to be a blade that someone had tried to sharpen laying it flat on a honing wheel. Because of the round perimeter, the resulting bevel was concave at a shallower angle than what I got when I took the razor to a flat hone.

Kind regards,
Bart.

 

[garyhaywood]

...my advice for honing a ti . would be use a little pressure a little more than normal do plenty of dilutions and dilute very sl;ow . its the pressure honing that made all the differance. just keep your eye on bevel as you don't want to make it grow un evenly. the ti's don't flex so you should be ok but just keep your eye on things also up the laps .
gary

I find this interesting, Gary. You recommend the same pressure for both the LeGrelot and the New Forgings?

I found something peculiar with my TI ('carbonsong'). It came shave-ready, but after some months, I gave it a few whacks with water on stone. I noticed that the full bevel was not being polished - a slightly steeper, secondary bevel was trying to form. I used no tape, but the blade geometry (spine width, etc.) just demanded a steeper bevel.

In other words, the existing bevel - as it came to me - seemed to be flatter than the geometry of the blade would dictate.

I'm still trying to figure that one out, but I ended up just resetting the bevel and re-honing. Still haven't really bonded with this razor. Anyone ever see anything like this? :blink:

i tend to use a little pressure when dilucoting. with the ti 's both which you describe i used a little pressure with both and seems to work.don't go mad but don't be frightend to keep that bevel down on the hone.

and yes what you describe is what i have noticed on every new ti. you hone on water stone and there is a bevel forming in front of original bevel . its like the original bevel just does'nt lay on our hones , and there is a new bevl forming. so infact yes i just ended up reseting my own bevel on all ti's that were honed by ti. its realy weird but i no exactly what your saying.

so for some guy new to razors goes to touch up his new ti and he is going to have problems. i never had this problem with dovo's.

gary

ps my last ti the bevel was way of one inch of the cutting edge was miles of the hone i had to use my dmt 600.

once set they are going to be fine from then on.

 

[Woodash]

...and yes what you describe is what i have noticed on every new ti. you hone on water stone and there is a bevel forming in front of original bevel . its like the original bevel just does'nt lay on our hones , and there is a new bevl forming. so infact yes i just ended up reseting my own bevel on all ti's that were honed by ti. its realy weird but i no exactly what your saying.

Bingo! That is exactly it. This is the first that I've seen anything like this, let alone heard of it elsewhere. Whatever...problem solved, shaves great.

 

[Bart]

...and yes what you describe is what i have noticed on every new ti. you hone on water stone and there is a bevel forming in front of original bevel . its like the original bevel just does'nt lay on our hones , and there is a new bevl forming. so infact yes i just ended up reseting my own bevel on all ti's that were honed by ti. its realy weird but i no exactly what your saying.

Bingo! That is exactly it. This is the first that I've seen anything like this, let alone heard of it elsewhere. Whatever...problem solved, shaves great.

That' the exact opposite of what I was referring to, and just the presence of a convex bevel, at steeper angle than the new bevel. If a razor has been stropped on pastes a lot, or taken to a progression of coarse to fine stropping pastes, this it what you get. It can take a long time before the belly is honed out. My own rule of thumb is that if 15 minutes of slurry on a Coticule doesn't clear it, I'm jumping to the DMT-F (600 mesh).

Kind regards,
Bart.