Natural on a natural

[Emmanuel]

I never had a Jnat so far. I ate the Internet for months to found a koma nagure considered as the finest .Finally i found and i bought one. I performed many times a honing on slurry of a koma on a coticule. I tried the four of my coticules. I am not in the slurry what exactly prevails( the garnets of koma or of coticule). I assume that the slurry is coming from koma because for me is much more soft than coticule.
In full dillucot i got an excellent edge ,smooth coticule edge.
The different is: You can leave the coticule from light slurry.Don't need to finish the edge on clear water.
I didn't dull the razor because i would like to check if the slurry dulls the edge by itself and isn't able to do it. But i knew surely that the razor does not shave smoothly due to long usage.
The next time i dulled a razor honing and honing but i didn't get an edge that shave well arm hair.
Then i hone the razor on slurry made by coticule slurry stone and once the edge was able to shave arm hair i rinsed the hone producing a koma slurry which in very short time gave me an excellent edge without effort at all and always leaving the hone from light slurry.
Not at all annoyed i used a koma on a coticule because both are natural hones.
Best regards
Emmanuel
I hope is one more tip in the coticule.be community.

 

[chti_lolo]

Emmanuel,

According to you this result is mainly due to the koma nagura slurry or the coticule.
For instance is it possible to reproduce, after shaving arm hair level,the same result with a chinese hone which is said to be much more slow ? or with a BBW ?
is there an influence of the state of the surface of the coticule, for instance if the surface is not refreshed ?

After reading your post, my theory is that the koma slurry helps to bridge the gap between shaving arm hair level and max keeness on coticule with water, is that what you think?


Regards

Laurent

BTW: how much does a coma cost:scared: ?

 

[Emmanuel]

Laurent First question: this result is mainly due to the koma nagura slurry or the coticule
I assume that the particles of koma brake down giving easier the desired result.
Second:For instance is it possible to reproduce, after shaving arm hair level,the same result with a Chinese hone which is said to be much more slow ? or with a BBW
I don't know I didn't never try.
Third :is there an influence of the state of the surface of the coticule, for instance if the surface is not refreshed
No because you don't need a finishing on clear water.
Fourth:how much does a coma cost
For me it is expensive ,around 120$
But i have to say the result is not better than coticule on coticule is just easier.And the only different is that you can go from light slurry.
Maybe Bart as owner of Jnat knows more about that.
Best regards
Emmanuel

 

[Emmanuel]

I forgot Gary can give more information on that As jnat owner.
Emmanuel

 

[garyhaywood]

i've not got that much experiance with my ozuku. it does work easier than coticule, reason being the slurry does'nt have a dulling efect. I have used after dilucot with slurry then water.the results were very good, i have performed dilunat, with exallant edge . i like both stones, i do have more experiance with coticule. If i was to compare my best and mean top coti edges V j nat edges, i would have to say for some reason it s the coti for me. Even though the j nat can when it works be exallant, and i think it will improve after a coticule, if your coticule is not at full potential. the coticule for me is just amuch better looking stone and just ticks all the boxes. The maxed out coti edge is very rewarding. the j nat edge is a superior edge also, lots of razor users give them very good write ups.
gary

 

[Emmanuel]

Gary I haven't a Jnat to compare but using the koma nagura on a coticule is really easy for the beginners to achieve a very good edge.
Best regards
Emmanuel

 

[chti_lolo]

So I'm with you Emmanuel, the only difference is that I was thinking that when the slurry particles of the coma were totally broken down, it was the coticule with water that finishes the edge and not the slurry.

coma is not cheap for me too, especially if you can not get a better result. Part of my interest with coticule is that it is challenging.

Regards

Laurent

 

[garyhaywood]

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oh sorry mate i never heard of one of those , i misunderstood the post.

 

[Pithor]

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For me in Finland, a cheap litre of 'vodka' is about €20. Guzzle that down in one go; I guarantee you won't wake up for at least a month



Sorry, couldn't resist this one. :

 

[maro]

I've been to Finland dozen of times, so I bet you talk from experience. Recollection of the famous summer parties? :

 

[chti_lolo]

Really, I have allways thought that peoples of the north were abstinent :

 

[Pithor]

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No recollection whatsoever, so they must have been good ones :

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In Finland, people only drink when it's dark. And when the sun comes out after 6 months of continuous darkness. For about 6 months straight

Sorry Emmanuel, for hijacking your thread with stupid jokes.

As for Jnats and the effect of natural slurry stones, I've never quite grasped either one. There's such a vast amount of different Japanese naturals all with their individual quirks and characteristics, hardness levels, etc. I just get confused.

Laurent may have a point with broken down koma slurry not really doing anything more than making water look like slurry but behave like water. For comparison, is there a notable difference in edge between coming off the slight koma slurry and finishing on just water?

I must say though that the use of different natural slurry stones is intriguing, your imaginationa and collection is pretty much the limit, I guess.