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Razors you need to stay away from

Bart said:
I don't think this thread is an "exercise in futility", unless all relaxed converstations between gentlemen in a pub ought to be considered exercises in futility. Perhaps they are, but my life would be dull without them. :)

But the true merit of this thread is that less experienced straight razor buyers are served with a number of examples that show what to watch out for on today's market of second hand razors. It also allows us to look at a few cases through the eyes of seasoned collectors of seviceable razors, such as the venerable Cedrick Smythe. I find that highly interesting and illuminating. I hope this thread will go on for a long time.

Then we have the peculiar case of Dubl' Duck Razors. I don't know who originally made that "they're all ground by apprentices"-remark, but there's something very strange with that:
First of all, I have seen and honed several Dubl' Ducks, mostly Goldedges and Satinedges but also a number of other models. Apprentices or not, without exception the grinds were flawless. Also the scales are of classic beauty, perhaps a bit too classic with those bucolic little ducks, but hey, that's exactly the kind of ornaments my grandparents loved. As I understand it, Bresnick was a large seller in the US, so we can hardly blame them for choosing a design that appealed to the masses. Nonethless, every aspect of the Dubl'Duck razors I have seen was very well executed. I also think you can't blame them for having Celluloid as scale mateiral. For a razor that needs to serve half a century, it's a perfect material, certainly at the kind of storage conditions that someone, who actually uses the razor, would provide for. We must accept that razors were not intended for collectioning in the far future, but for shaving, and we can't blame the original manufacturer for not using a most durable material.

Secondly, there's someting not quite right with apprentices doing thin grinds. No doubt, the thin grinds are the most difficult to perform. They come, form evolutionary viewpoint, after the beefier grinds. With a stiffer grind, one can get away with slight uneveness without compromising the stiffness of the blade, and without the risk of grinding right through it. "Singing" razors are not for nothing more expensive. They require more work and better craftsman. Dubl' Ducks are indeed always very thinly ground. That makes them easier (read: quicker) to sharpen, and they will also take good keenness, because that is what narrow bevels do. At least when the steel is good for it, which is the case with all German razors.

In essence, Dubl' Ducks are no different than any other Solingen razor with that kind of very thin grind. Whether those bucolic scales are worth the extra bucks to get one, is a decision of a personal nature. I don't own one myself, but I have a few other very thin blades.

Kind regards,
Bart.

I guess I just feel that way as a collector seeing the results of cell rot on some valuable pieces. So when I say “durability of celluloid” I am referring to leaving the razor in an enclosed box for decades, the acidic gases from the celluloid scales will build up and slowly tarnish the steel. On the other hand, if the Straight Razor was still “the most popular form of shaving” then Cell Rot would be a moot point. Razors would be used more often (daily?) so the gasses wouldn’t build up in the box in the first place.

But other than that minor flaw (and the fact that most folks believe celluloid will somehow “detonate”), celluloid was, and still is, one of the best plastics ever invented by man, and in my opinion better than modern Acrylic, if not anything else but for its toughness and workability… yes, it is durable… just don’t leave the razor it in an enclosed box for more than a decade… give or take a few years.

Also all plastics (both modern and vintage) will disintegrate. This is because some of the volatile chemicals that make the plastic will slowly “out-gas”. Heat, UV and other forms of radiation will accelerate the brake-down (the plastic on your car’s dashboard for example), when this happens the plastic will lose volume (shrink).

So if you ever wondered why razor scales with metal inlay is warped, it is because the plastic around the metal inlay shrinks over time, but the metal inlay attached to the front scale will not shrink, so the front scale will warp throwing the butt end out of center or sometimes the inlay will “buckle” (it’s a similar effect of the bi-metallic strip). Shrinking scales can cause the blade to eventually contact the wedge spacer making the scales appear "too short" for the blade (Temprite, DD and Genco "wedge model" razors with transparent scales are a good example). Shrinking scales can also cause the wedge spacer appear “over-sized” and become loose, this is because the scales “shrink in 3D” so the thickness gets smaller too (bear that in mind of you plan to make new scales to look like the originals… I discovered that the hard way).

Sigh… That’s a mouthful… or a pagefull.
 
Was going to do a writeup on this one before the auction ended... never got around to it... so here's the comment "post auction".

Now who wouldn’t want a “Rifle Razor”?… but you may want to stay away from this one if you are a “picky” collector like me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CHALLENGE-CELEBRATED-RIFLE-STRAIGHT-RAZOR-BOX-/290447977096
The blade appears to have been shortened… see, the etching is closer to the now rounded point.
(Notice: it went for $38... In My Opinion, it's value is one decimal place to the left).

To make my point, here is what she may have look like at some point in her life.
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv80/CedrickSmythe/Miscalanus/RifleRazor.jpg?t=1277875894
 
Another past Auction.

Speaking of “shortened” blades… here is another “suspect”. The blade appears to be shortened (because the scales appear to be too long). However please note: The average Swedish blade is indeed shorter than most other blades.

In My Opinion, despite what the seller says…
“The original scales I think are made of celluloid, I didn't unpinned them.”
… The blade does not belong to the scales.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Erik-Anton-Berg-Straight-Razor-SHAVE-READY-/190408763715

To make my point, the seller does not allow you a good view of the pivot pin in this auction, however, if you look at some of his other razors for sale (there are quite a few), you clearly see the pins.
 
Speaking of Wade&Butcher, here is something entertaining...

Do a search on eBay for Wade&Butcher razors (for example: razor wade) and most often you get two or more full pages of listings for the brand.
Try that same search with any other brand and you scarcely get a full page… (with the exception of duck… but most are not razors).

Just a few hours ago I tried it and here are the total number of listings.
Less than one page
razor c mon = 4
razor geneva = 24
razor dubl = 41
razor son (to include such as, CASE, Greaves, Morley, Joseph, Wostenholm) = 82

More than one page
razor professional = 121
razor zeepk = 136
razor wade = 134

With a brand just as common as a Zeepk you would think they would be cheaper... or am I asking too much?
 
I was looking for a good place to note this, and this thread looks as good as any. I saw this brought up at B&B a few weeks ago. The question comes up of determining the origin of a razor, especially ones that were sold by American distributors. Let's just say that not all Dubl Ducks are "export quality" German razors. Look at this Dubl Duck advertisement. Notice that the descriptions of the razors make mention of American and German options, with the German ones being fancier (perhaps to Robin's chagrin). It brings back the question of the meaning of brands and the value of looking for big names.
 
Here is some pictures of a Bresnick New York DD. This is before he called them Bresduck, Pearlduck, ect. I did not notice it was a dubl duck for some time. It is a plain razor marked hand forged Germany. All I can say the shaving quality is excellent.
 
Well the picture lines did not come up. I will try and post in a different place

For the pictures look in marketplace under Bresnick Dubl Duck
 
I've taken the liberty of uploading the images to imgJoe.com:
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Well here is my take on it…

In those days, “shipping” was just that. Today, most goods are shipped by air cargo, but back then, mass air transport was in its infancy so most goods were moved by boat. Goods manufactured in Germany could take weeks to get to the US market, so a manufacturing subsidiary in New York would have been the smart thing to do. I suspect Bresnick/Bresduck/Pearlduck Inc. N.Y., could have been importers or small scale manufacturing subsidiary in N.Y. for the German cutlery firm who held the Dubl-Duck license.
 
I very much suspect that this is/was the case. Know the Porsche Cayenne by the way? "Made in Germany" by sticking the Porsche logo on the bonnet - the rest of the car is assembled in the Czech Republic.

And by the way, "Made in Germany" is a British invention, dating back to the late 19th century. Foreign manufacturers were forced to mark their products with the country of origin to protect the British from buying inferior quality. I would say that idea backfired, big time.
 
So what would the scope of the process be likley to have been? Final assembly of pre-manufactured parts, or right back to steel supply?
How much was required to be able to use the country of origin label? Would the culture of the times find it more desirable to use "made in Germany" as a selling point over "Made in USA"?
just wondering...
 
It would be very difficult to say the exact scope of the process…

But I suspect the scales would be entirely manufactured in the US, and Pre manufactured blade blanks with the manufacturers mark already on the tang would shipped from Germany to be ground, finished, and boxed in the U.S… these would be made in the U.S.A., but still have “Made in Germany” stamped on the tang. Shipping a carton of blades from Germany would save on shipping cost.

This would probably explain why razors entirely manufactured, finished and boxed in Germany would have different scales… and retail price.
 
I only got about a third of the way through the second link, Robin, but it didn't take long to begin to draw some parallells to our modern world. History repeats itself. And people, from generation to generation, really don't change that much.

It makes sense that the steel would be produced in Germany, the scales and labour are incidental to the main industry, which would be steel production.
 
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