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Revisors

I got my Revisor today :O I was surprised since i got the invoice Saturday morning.

Later wen i got home, i did the HHT test and it did a HHT 1 :( i then strop 60/60 on my brand new TM. did the HHT again... same thing... and again... changed hair... same thing :(

I have no hone at the moment... what should i do... try to shave with it ? and see how that goes ?
 
Okay, let me see. You are relatively new to the game; you are using a brand new(!) strop by a manufacturer whose strops are notorious for taking weeks or months to properly break in (jargon for "perform adequately"); and you waste the time required for bringing the razor from HHT 1 to HHT 4 with posting. Jesus wept.

I know that I am not going to win any hearts or minds with this remark, but if you want to complain about a vendor in public, why not do it on Badger & Blade (also referred to as Bigotry & Bile by those who received a special treatment by one of their passive aggressive so called moderators, cf this, this or this), where you are guaranteed to get a pat on the back and lots of cheering?

I know that opinions about this issue vary, but I firmly maintain that problems with a product should be settled between the buyer and the seller - especially when it comes to razors, of whose required sharpness and performance personal preference oscillate wildly.
 
Since I started this thread, and I thought others might like to know where I stand in my quest for a Revisor, I thought I'd provide an update.
Shortly after Christmas, I contacted Revisor to place an order for a 6-0024. Unfortunately, Mr. Kronenberg informed me that they had just sold the last one. He further explained that another run would take place in mid January. I told Thomas at that time I'd be happy to wait, and I would place a deposit for my order. He told me that was unnecessary, and would contact me when the razor was ready.
True to his word, he did not forget, and I received an e-mail that my razor would be ready by Friday. This A.M., and e-mail was waiting, and an invoice followed. I wish all businesses were as efficient!
I spent my life in machine shops.. 43 years as a Tool&Die Maker. I make no apologies for being a blue collar worker as opposed to a businessman.. We had a special camraderie, and the PhD's usually honored our knowledge and treated us with respect, because as intelligent as they were, they were smart enough to know that we possessed knowledge they did not, and they needed us to put their ideas into practice.
Anyway, Mr. Kronenberg was kind enough to send a photo of his skilled workers producing the razors we so covet, and I was very impressed by it! So much knowledge and tradition in the skilled hands of these craftsmen, now getting on in years. Today, everyone wants to be an executive to impress the neighbors with their success, but where will the high quality products that these highly skilled men produce come from in the future? I do not see any young faces in the photo, so to whom will all that knowledge and skill be passed? Perhaps the world has passed us by, and does not need products produced by hands that have spent decades learning a trade...

In any case, I hold these gentlemen in the highest esteem for continuing the old ways, and plying their trade lovingly, as was passed along to them since apprenticeship. So, I salute them, and will think about this photo as I use the Revisor they lovingly crafted..


I thought the group might be interested in this photo, and Thomas kindly gave his permission for me to post it here..


Revisoren.jpg
 
BlacknTan said:
(…) I do not see any young faces in the photo, so to whom will all that knowledge and skill be passed? (…)
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Sometimes, I think about buying some Revisors and Wackers to sell them NOS in a couple of years… Mr. Wacker is somewhere near 75, AFAIK.

Regards,
Tok

EDIT: Note my post below
 
BeBerlin said:
What a truly noble thought, Tok. I am impressed.
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So you took my post seriously? It was my way of a sad comment. I don´t want them to go down…

Reading it again makes me see how easily this could be misunderstood, though.

Regards,
Tok
 
I understand more and more why I got hammered for an innocent remark I made about a less than perfect Revisor I bought four or five months ago when I was a total tyro. I had no idea at the time about small shop craftsmanship and integrity. My Revisor was then and remains now one of my favorite, even "island" razors. I ordered another a month ago.
 
Marvellous post, BlacknTan. A few good remarks, and it's indeed a sad thing, that hardly anyone values true craftsmanship these days. Also, the way they treat a customer that you described is to be highly appreciated. I really long for the days when trade looked so honest and fair like this.

regards,
Matt
 
BeBerlin said:
Not funny, Tok! :( (see comments below, though)
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I hope, my soul is not as black as my sense of humor seems to be…

But I´ll leave the post as it is, anything else seems wrong to me.

Regards,
Tok
 
Tok said:
BeBerlin said:
Not funny, Tok! :( (see comments below, though)
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I hope, my soul is not as black as my sense of humor seems to be…

But I´ll leave the post as it is, anything else seems wrong to me.

Regards,
Tok
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Tok, I too, had to read your remark a couple of times and then rely on what I have seen from you to then figure you were kidding. No harm, no foul, to me. Black humor-you; smart ass-me. 'Bout the same thing. I still love you.

I have an honest question, for Robin, particularly, but anyone in general. I just (30 minutes ago) picked up my new Revisor I mentioned earlier in the thread. It is a 5/8 with plain black scales. Beautiful, understated elegance. The question I have is one of blade width. I find that my beard seems to respond to 5/8 and 6/8 and that the wider blades are not only less maneuverable for me, but do not seem to be any more efficient in removing facial hair. They also seem to vibrate going through my whiskers. Yet, I keep reading about "the best shave I ever had" from guys with the 8/8 monsters. Are they notoriously harder to shave with? Do I need to learn something? Is this hype or is there a real reason that wider blades are better shavers.

I can already hear you, Robin--it either works or it doesn't, but go ahead and give it to me. Again, I really do value your opinion. Still, it's fun to poke a stick in your cage.

Sincerely, Denny
 
BeBerlin said:
and you waste the time required for bringing the razor from HHT 1 to HHT 4 with posting. Jesus wept.
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Mea culpa. Had I not said that my revisor http://www.revisor-solingen.de/html/6_8_3.html was sharp, and Adri would not have been a bit disapointed of his HHT 1 edge.
French people very often buy factory edge razors and very few come shave ready. In french forum, I noticed among the good ones, a Revisor (same blade as mine but different etching) and a new TI C135 Le Grelot like. For the others, people have to do hundreds of strokes on crox pasted strop (at least 200 strokes, and very often 500+). So, a HHT 1 razor is still a razor needing only little refinment.

I'm a bit sad to see that we are maybe the last generation able to buy this kind of razor:cry:

Regards

Laurent
 
Ah yes, the Stockholm Syndrome of straight razor shaving. I upgraded 10 of my 5-6/8 razors to 7/8 or 8/8 razors over the past 12 months. I like the aesthetics of wider blades better, and quite honestly, an 8/8 Henckels Friodur is simply something every man should have in his bathroom.



Now here is the USD 100 question: "Will it shave better than a 5/8 no name Solingen vintage?" And the answer is, "it depends." The term "better" implies an inherent, measurable quality that simply does not exist once the razor changes its owner. I had a number of razors I absolutely hated, and others swore by. Wade & Butcher? No bloody way. Dubl Duck? You have to be joking (or offer it to me for under USD 100 in mint condition, in which case I would gladly take it because they are nice razors).

So, there is absolutely no way anyone in his right mind would predict how a 7 or 8/8 razor and your old wrinkly face would get along. Zero. Nada. Keiner.

So why the reference to the Stockholm Syndrome? Because somebody with a lot of clout once said that Meat Choppers were the bomb. And people believed him. And Meat Chopper prices skyrocketed. And they became reasonably rare. And people paid even more for them. And then they found (well, I did, although I only paid about USD 50 for mine) that they sucked. Well, mine did, and for me. But everyone else kept banging on about how they were totally fantastic übershavers blah-blah-blah. And then, all of a sudden, someone reviewed the Filarmonica EPBD, and their prices skyrocketed. And... You know the drill. Long story short: There are still many, many 7 or 8/8 blades out there. I will leave it to Cedric to comment on what blanks they were ground from. :)

So, get one if you can. I got my 7/8 Friodurs for about USD 75, and that is a fair price. Might take some time to find one, but if you can, get one (mine was NOS). 8/8 Wackers? Might want to get one, because just might go out of production. 8/8 Revisoren? I have one. I like it a lot. It's a big, chunky blade, but with a nice hollow grind, and good manoeuvrability (the key factor for me when it comes to big blades). Just keep trying. I have seen a few rather nice trades happen here in the marketplace, and I think that is a great thing. Some of us, myself included, should just stop buying razors. Paul just wrote a fantastic little piece about how ADs retard learning. Buying less, buying quality - and sticking with it is, I think, key.

But, yes, I think anyone who wants to convince you that because expensive, big razor X or Y work for him, they must also work for you, has a lot of learning to do still. What the shaving scene needs is less AD ridden fanboys, and more people willing to thoroughly explore one tool after the other, and review them in a meaningful way.
 
BNT: I agree and I think you gave the sad truth some elegance. There is another problem that I have experienced in my life. I worked as a cabinet maker for many years and succeeded as such until the building industry fell under in my area and custom hand crafted cabinetry (as a luxury item) fell with it. When I worked as a cabinet maker I went in there with a vast knowledge bestowed upon me by my father. I was given the fast track when allowed into the fraternity that was cabinet makers. This allowed my to avoid much of the hazing that is offered by the senior craftsmen. The issue arose as other new apprentices entered the facility. They were usually quite young, inexperienced and soft. Their youth became a target for the hazings as well as their lack of knowledge, this behavior seemed fairly normal to me from my previous work experience. The biggest problem came from those that seemingly came from this new school where children are not bullied, picked on or even allowed a razzing from their elders. They come into the work force with a complete inability to handle the hazings offered. These people quit to find a job like the food service industry where they accommodate this inability to cope and they are stuck there. This led to an aging workforce at the cabinet shop. The only apprentices that survived there were older and came from other industries making me the youngest there to the end.
I am not saying that this is what is happening to the razor industry or even to Revisor specifically, but rather this is an unfortunate incident that I have viewed happening within another industry based on highly skilled labor.
 
BeBerlin said:
Ah yes, the Stockholm Syndrome of straight razor shaving. I upgraded 10 of my 5-6/8 razors to 7/8 or 8/8 razors over the past 12 months. I like the aesthetics of wider blades better, and quite honestly, an 8/8 Henckels Friodur is simply something every man should have in his bathroom.



Now here is the USD 100 question: "Will it shave better than a 5/8 no name Solingen vintage?" And the answer is, "it depends." The term "better" implies an inherent, measurable quality that simply does not exist once the razor changes its owner. I had a number of razors I absolutely hated, and others swore by. Wade & Butcher? No bloody way. Dubl Duck? You have to be joking (or offer it to me for under USD 100 in mint condition, in which case I would gladly take it because they are nice razors).

So, there is absolutely no way anyone in his right mind would predict how a 7 or 8/8 razor and your old wrinkly face would get along. Zero. Nada. Keiner.

So why the reference to the Stockholm Syndrome? Because somebody with a lot of clout once said that Meat Choppers were the bomb. And people believed him. And Meat Chopper prices skyrocketed. And they became reasonably rare. And people paid even more for them. And then they found (well, I did, although I only paid about USD 50 for mine) that they sucked. Well, mine did, and for me. But everyone else kept banging on about how they were totally fantastic übershavers blah-blah-blah. And then, all of a sudden, someone reviewed the Filarmonica EPBD, and their prices skyrocketed. And... You know the drill. Long story short: There are still many, many 7 or 8/8 blades out there. I will leave it to Cedric to comment on what blanks they were ground from. :)

So, get one if you can. I got my 7/8 Friodurs for about USD 75, and that is a fair price. Might take some time to find one, but if you can, get one (mine was NOS). 8/8 Wackers? Might want to get one, because just might go out of production. 8/8 Revisoren? I have one. I like it a lot. It's a big, chunky blade, but with a nice hollow grind, and good manoeuvrability (the key factor for me when it comes to big blades). Just keep trying. I have seen a few rather nice trades happen here in the marketplace, and I think that is a great thing. Some of us, myself included, should just stop buying razors. Paul just wrote a fantastic little piece about how ADs retard learning. Buying less, buying quality - and sticking with it is, I think, key.

But, yes, I think anyone who wants to convince you that because expensive, big razor X or Y work for him, they must also work for you, has a lot of learning to do still. What the shaving scene needs is less AD ridden fanboys, and more people willing to thoroughly explore one tool after the other, and review them in a meaningful way.
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I was hoping for a thorough answer, but I guess this will have to do. Wrinkles
 
Ok i need help... what would be the best solution to have my Revisor shave ready.

I have crox a Tony miller hanging strop and a cheap strop of ebay for practice and crox pasted purposes.

Thanks
adri
 
kessel113 said:
Ok i need help... what would be the best solution to have my Revisor shave ready.

I have crox a Tony miller hanging strop and a cheap strop of ebay for practice and crox pasted purposes.

Thanks
adri
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If it doesn't come shave ready you will need to have it honed, Crox wont IMHO give you either: a shave ready razor (unless it just needs a touch up) or a smooth shave, Crox leaves my face raw, and a Coticule edge leaves it feeling as if it has been kissed by angels...lol

Also is the Tony Miller still untreated? because you will of course need a good strop to use before and after each shave

Best regards
Ralfson (Dr)

Edit: Adri, if you would like me to hone the revisor for you, I am happy to do it, at no charge of course
 
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