Revisors

[decraew]

hi there to all the company I would like to ask Bart and robin because I respect them for their knowledge and of course if anyone has an opinion what to prefer dovo special razor or any of the revisors and ...

I prefer a Revisors, no contest at all.

Because:
(1) I like the kind of operation they have
(2) I find most of the Dovo's really boring (sorry Dovo enthusiasts out there, just my preference)

 

[Bart]

Hi Peter,

I have only a basic understanding of metallurgy, and I don't really know about the steels used on the various Dovo and Revisor models.
But I cab tell you this: when I sharpen razors Dovo is a brand that never surprises me. They take constantly the same good, durable and adequate edges. They seems as reliably as their German identity dictates. I don't really find a difference in edge qualities between e. g. a Dovo Silberstahl of about 80€ and a Dovo Bergischer Löwe of considerably higher price. Note that I'm talking about how they feel on my face, and not about the aesthetic differences of both razors.
Revisor is equally German when it comes to craftsmanship, but from all razor brands, Revisor is the one that surprises me the most when it comes to deliver above average shaving comfort. They take very sweet edges.
Revisor also offers a wider variety in blade designs and widths, although it is much smaller a company than Dovo.
I have more sympathy for Revisor, but you won't hear me say that there is anything wrong with a Dovo.

Kind regards,
Bart.

 

[Guest]

Dovo are an industrial company who have been mass producing razors for centuries. Revisor are a manufacture. That is all I need to know to make a buying decision. I do not expect perfect, but unique razors from Revisor. And I absolutely love their designs. Something I cannot say of Dovo razors.

Just for the chuckles, I found these at a local weekly market. An NOS blast from the past, and - duh! - not shave ready.



Regards,
Robin

 

[peter]

beberlin thank you very much in straightrazorplace I have username petrakos and I have sent you pm with similar questions there if you remember me I live in Greece I have made registration on your web page and I wait for confirmation:thumbup:
καλησπέρα from Athens beautiful pics in your domain

 

[Guest]

Και γιατι Πετρο ρωτας τον Γερμανο Εγω τι κανω εδω? Κολαω μπρικια?
Best regards
Emmanuel

 

[Guest]

Καλησπέρα από το Βερολίνο,

The pictures are mostly Ralfy's, so you had best credit him. Since some μαλάκας is constantly messing with our ratings, I have become somewhat wary with regards to handing out accounts. Do feel welcome, though. Love your country!

Best regards,
Robin

 

[peter]

beberlin I appreciate man
hey Emmanuel I forgot happy new year so your opinion on revisors wacker dovo and theirs issard?
when you can reply I would like to bear thoughts about them
best regards
peter

 

[peter]

bart hi again you help me a lot but you are referring to vintage revisors or the new ones and also what about wackers and thiers issard old and with c135 carbonsong? I have heard in German forums that wackers are being sharpened grinder on the wheel by lifting up the spine is this correct ? And about revisors that some have uneven spine and need honing I am leaning to revisors from reviews of beberlin and i respect your opinions and knowledge but I need some more help to take the final decision please reply again when possible
beat regards
Peter

Hi Peter,

I have only a basic understanding of metallurgy, and I don't really know about the steels used on the various Dovo and Revisor models.
But I cab tell you this: when I sharpen razors Dovo is a brand that never surprises me. They take constantly the same good, durable and adequate edges. They seems as reliably as their German identity dictates. I don't really find a difference in edge qualities between e. g. a Dovo Silberstahl of about 80€ and a Dovo Bergischer Löwe of considerably higher price. Note that I'm talking about how they feel on my face, and not about the aesthetic differences of both razors.
Revisor is equally German when it comes to craftsmanship, but from all razor brands, Revisor is the one that surprises me the most when it comes to deliver above average shaving comfort. They take very sweet edges.
Revisor also offers a wider variety in blade designs and widths, although it is much smaller a company than Dovo.
I have more sympathy for Revisor, but you won't hear me say that there is anything wrong with a Dovo.

Kind regards,
Bart.

 

[DJKELLY]

Καλησπέρα από το Βερολίνο,

The pictures are mostly Ralfy's, so you had best credit him. Since some μαλάκας is constantly messing with our ratings, I have become somewhat wary with regards to handing out accounts. Do feel welcome, though. Love your country!

Best regards,
Robin

I would, too, if I owned half of it.

 

[shaved]

I have heard in German forums that wackers are being sharpened grinder on the wheel by lifting up the spine is this correct ?

No.


edit: fixed quoting

 

[Guest]

berlin I appreciate man
hey Emmanuel I forgot happy new year so your opinion on revisors wacker dovo and theirs issard?
when you can reply I would like to bear thoughts about them
best regards
peter

So Πέτρο happy new year to you too.As Robin said Dovo is large factory producing razors many years agne i can say for Dovos ,i find the vintages more beautiful and more finished than currents,but nothing more or less concerning the steel lasting shave ability.Revisor i have just one and i love it for the excellent shape .The problem with the revisor is that they dont produce half end 1/4 ground which i prefer as smoother shavers but this is a personal preference,contrary i have two wackers 1/4 ground that is excellent razors offering extra smoothness.
( wackers are being sharpened grinder on the wheel by lifting up the spine)That is not true and not logic .
I own a c135 carbonsong, for my opinion is one of the quality razors.The unique problem is the keeping honing angle that should be more than 17 degrees, otherwise be created microseration due to the high hardness ,that why i always hone it taped two layers.
Best regards
Emmanuel

 

[Guest]

Peter i forgot ,i would like one more wacker 1/4 ground if you get one for trade pls send a PM.
Rgds
Emmanuel

 

[Bart]

bart hi again you help me a lot but you are referring to vintage revisors or the new ones and also what about wackers and thiers issard old and with c135 carbonsong?

I was talking about the recent Revisors, because I was under the impression that you were looking at newly produced razors.

I believe that Wacker's production is at least partially based on grinding and finishing stocks of old blade blanks, from a variety of yesteryears brands (Dorko, Bartmann, etc). This translates to the feel of the razors and if find it hard to say something general about them, except that Wackers are often beautiful razors of excellent quality.

Thiers Issard is a story on its own. Their quality is of "alchemist" nature, meaning that you musn't expect the same precision in grind and finishing than found on the German brands. And sharpening them can take a bit of figuring out. But Thiers Issard seems to focus very hard on the "alchemy" of hardening and tempering steel. I absolutely love how Thiers Issards can be made to shave.

Kind regards,
Bart

 

[Tok]

Not funny, Tok! (see comments below, though)

I hope, my soul is not as black as my sense of humor seems to be…

But I´ll leave the post as it is, anything else seems wrong to me.

Regards,
Tok

Tok, I too, had to read your remark a couple of times and then rely on what I have seen from you to then figure you were kidding. No harm, no foul, to me. Black humor-you; smart ass-me. 'Bout the same thing. I still love you.

I have an honest question, for Robin, particularly, but anyone in general. I just (30 minutes ago) picked up my new Revisor I mentioned earlier in the thread. It is a 5/8 with plain black scales. Beautiful, understated elegance. The question I have is one of blade width. I find that my beard seems to respond to 5/8 and 6/8 and that the wider blades are not only less maneuverable for me, but do not seem to be any more efficient in removing facial hair. They also seem to vibrate going through my whiskers. Yet, I keep reading about "the best shave I ever had" from guys with the 8/8 monsters. Are they notoriously harder to shave with? Do I need to learn something? Is this hype or is there a real reason that wider blades are better shavers.

I can already hear you, Robin--it either works or it doesn't, but go ahead and give it to me. Again, I really do value your opinion. Still, it's fun to poke a stick in your cage.

Sincerely, Denny

No reason for calling you a smart-ass. Thanks for that reply, though.
This whole thing made me thinking: How will the razor scene look like in, say 20 years? I´m afraid, Dovo will be top-notch because there´s nothing else left, except for some minor series made by guys that don´t really get the clue (like these Razolution things. I have one (it was a gift). It´s ok, way overpriced, not near to shaveable out of the box, but the steel seems not too bad.). Not that Dovo´s are bad, but if I had to decide… Outside from germany, it won´t really look better(Not that it does nowadays). TI and Hart steel will be there for quite a time, but that´s it. Sad, really.

About blade width: I absolutely hate anything narrower than 5/8, because i have to remove the lather more often and that´s just annoying. Most of my blades are around 6/8, haven´t tried anything wider, but I sure like the look of wide blades.

Regards,
Tok

 

[BlacknTan]

Unfortunately, I fear that the straight razopr scene in twenty years, and my feeling is even sooner, will indeed be much different, as will be the face of the world. Fortunately, I will not be around to witness it.
The current trend in machining is the use of pre heat-treated bar stock. Castings will be with us for the foreseeable future, but bar stock can replace forgings, which for our purposes in thin sections, is far superior. Robotics is rapidly replacing unskilled, and even in some aspects, skilled labor. The trained hands that once lovingly took pride it their work are being replaced by computer chips.
Pre heat-treated stock is tough on the CNC equipment it's run on, but the major players replace their equipment regularly, passing the old along to smaller shops.. It's just the name of the game in today's market.
The photo kindly provided by Thomas at Revisor was very revealing, and does not bode well for the future. The "Golden Age" of the straight razor is already past, and I fear we are witnessing the tail end of it.

Very unfortunate....

 

[Tok]

{…}
The current trend in machining is the use of pre heat-treated bar stock. Castings will be with us for the foreseeable future, but bar stock can replace forgings, which for our purposes in thin sections, is far superior. Robotics is rapidly replacing unskilled, and even in some aspects, skilled labor. The trained hands that once lovingly took pride it their work are being replaced by computer chips.
Pre heat-treated stock is tough on the CNC equipment it's run on, but the major players replace their equipment regularly, passing the old along to smaller shops.. It's just the name of the game in today's market.
The photo kindly provided by Thomas at Revisor was very revealing, and does not bode well for the future. The "Golden Age" of the straight razor is already past, and I fear we are witnessing the tail end of it.

Very unfortunate....

Actually, I´m not completely sure about that. I think since straight razor shaving itself is something vintage and traditional, most users will prefer handmade razors. Plus, I have the feeling, without having evidence, that straight razor shaving has a little renaissance, thanks to the internet. I wouldn´t be astonished, if Revisor had sold noticeably more razors in the last, lets say 5 years, compared to the years before.
The interest will be there, but there are two main problems I see: First, I don´t think that becoming a razor maker does sound like a good choice to most young people and second, since there are so many old razors around, nobody feels the urge to support companies like Revisor or Wacker. Maybe, they won´t even be missed, until the last vintage razor is worn.

Regards,
Tok

 

[peter]

thank you your opinion is very helpful and yes if occurs I will not forget you
take care

Peter i forgot ,i would like one more wacker 1/4 ground if you get one for trade pls send a PM.
Rgds
Emmanuel

 

[peter]

Emmanuel I think that it is not neccesarry to put tapes on the spine I think that this way you create a new bevel other than that of the bevel that a razor already has as Robert Williams says any angle between 14 until 18 is ok and I suggest buy a protractor count the angle and also count the total width of the razor and divide with 4 so the width of the spine should be 1/4 more or less the total width of the blade Robert Williams says that can be from 3,7 to 4,2 Tim zowada wants constantly 15 to be the blade angle also beberlin have talked abou it in straightrazorplace place and below I sent you the web pages that indicate this not necessary to put tape
http://www.gut-rasiert.de/forum/index.php?topic=11368.0
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00008945/images/index.html?id=00008945&no=&seite=25
http://www.straightrazorplace.com/forums/advanced-honing-topics/37951-fun-verniers-calipers-tape-4.html
http://customstraightrazors.com/wordpress/razor-edge-geometry-introduction/

Peter i forgot ,i would like one more wacker 1/4 ground if you get one for trade pls send a PM.
Rgds
Emmanuel

 

[Guest]

Emmanuel I think that it is not neccesarry to put tapes on the spine I think that this way you create a new bevel other than that of the bevel that a razor already has as Robert Williams says any angle between 14 until 18 is ok and I suggest buy a protractor count the angle and also count the total width of the razor and divide with 4 so the width of the spine should be 1/4 more or less the total width of the blade Robert Williams says that can be from 3,7 to 4,2 Tim zowada wants constantly 15 to be the blade angle also beberlin have talked abou it in straightrazorplace place and below I sent you the web pages that indicate this not necessary to put tape
http://www.gut-rasiert.de/forum/index.php?topic=11368.0
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00008945/images/index.html?id=00008945&no=&seite=25
http://www.straightrazorplace.com/forums/advanced-honing-topics/37951-fun-verniers-calipers-tape-4.html
http://customstraightrazors.com/wordpress/razor-edge-geometry-introduction/

Peter i forgot ,i would like one more wacker 1/4 ground if you get one for trade pls send a PM.
Rgds
Emmanuel

Peter you dont need a protractor to count a razor angle.Go to http://www.coticule.be/wedges.html and http://www.coticule.be/wedges.html?file=tl_files/barts_pics/Bevel_angle_calculation.xls
Also read the unicot method.
14 and 15 degrees angle is destructive for an edge, this is my position and is fixed.
For the French razors you need more than 17 degrees specially for the c135 carbonsong and Le Grelot.
Bart already written a post concerning the Grelot microseration avoiding by two tapes on the spine ,i dont remember the post position may be he knows.
Best regards
Emmanuel

 

[Guest]

Its OK i found it Peter :http://www.coticule.be/the-cafeteria/message/20115.html
Is not Le Grelot but TI new forgings.
Best regards
Emmanuel