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who said coticule prices are getting high?
- Thread starter geruchtemoaker
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That is just insane and it won't sell(I hope). I was talking to other people about newer members putting things on the classifieds at crazy prices and I sure wish they would stop trying to drive prices up or being greedy whichever is the motivation for it. Some razor prices are the same way. Honestly it makes me rather angry.
Escher prices have gone nuts also but people are starting to put the brakes on paying so much for them whether it's on ebay or a forum. I want another Escher in a larger size like an 8 inch length but I will not pay $500 or better for one!
Escher prices have gone nuts also but people are starting to put the brakes on paying so much for them whether it's on ebay or a forum. I want another Escher in a larger size like an 8 inch length but I will not pay $500 or better for one!
geruchtemoaker
Well-Known Member
lets hope so
G
Guest
It will sell. Because it is a deep rock made for export razors. And because it has a nice label. But most of all because it is much sought after.
And if you sniff the glue used with it, you will see colourful Dubl Sux all over the place. Promise.
And if you sniff the glue used with it, you will see colourful Dubl Sux all over the place. Promise.
SliceOfLife
Well-Known Member
I think I saw this one go on eBay a couple months ago. Was in the low $100. An identical stone (same size and box etc) did sell for a LOT less (probably they $40 stone someone mentioned) a few weeks ago, but I doubt it was this one.
That said, It seems most of the guys flipping eBay stones on forums are profit seekers these days.
That said, It seems most of the guys flipping eBay stones on forums are profit seekers these days.
sandcounty
New Member
Gunner777 said:
Just for the record, it isn't newer members that have driven up prices. It's mostly been the more experienced members who have been listing the big buck stones and razors. Sham sold a Deep Rock (of a different brand) last week for $350. He deletes his ads after the items sell. I don't believe the buyer was a newbie.
I assumed that the stones I listed last week would really only interest collectors. Maybe I should have stated that more explicitly. I thought it was pretty obvious being that they were NOS and/or rarely seen with labels in that condition.
Another senior member (been there from the beginning) has posted that he wouldn't ever sell his Deep Rock for less than $350. As far as I know it's the same stone.
So what are they worth? It seems that it not only depends on who's buying, but how many posts the seller has as well...
Bart
Well-Known Member
A standard Coticule of 40mmX150mm costs currently 42EUR at Ardennes. And I know there are resellers that drop below that official price. Giving time to develop the proper skills is all one ever needs for putting a perfect edge on a razor. There is no predictable difference between the edge of that hone and that of a vintage one, if discernible at all.Gunner777 said:
Only a few days ago, I read a statement on another forum, that the vintage hones are better. If you know how Coticules are extracted, that is a completely ridiculous statement, because a Coticule that is harvested today may have been located within very close distance of one that was extracted 100 years ago. That is because the older mining techniques did not always allow to reach the layers in their totality. Nowadays quarrying techniques for a part extracts Coticule that had to be left behind all this years ago. They are also extracting formerly untouched depths, but even then, Coticule layers were all formed 480 million years ago. A few decades more or less have no influence on the quality. It is certainly not so that the former mines picked the "good ones" first. Nonetheless, people will keep parroting that myth, and other guys will want to believe it. And they will pay big bucks for something you can by for less than a quarter of the prices, with a satisfaction guarantee by the guys that extract the same 480 million years old rock today.
At the same time, there are also people who collect these hones, produced by companies that stopped activities long time ago. For these gentlemen the box and label is almost as important as the stone itself. And they obey to the laws of demand and availability. Collectioning is an entirely different game, where the true function of the object and the price paid become disconnected from each other. I have no problem accepting that.
Kind regards,
Bart.
wdwrx
Well-Known Member
richmondesi said:
For a while, I thought I had one of the 136.... all it took was the right hands....
But, Paul, IIRC, it was 3 of 136.
In response to the idea that "vintage hones are better" could it not be said that what was considered a desirable quality may have shifted over time? IE: speed of hone versus fineness? Or that maybe the finest hones tended to survive and the ones that weren't so fine were relegated to kitchen or shop duty? Hence the idea that "vintage is better".
Just looking for an explanation of a prevalent idea, regardless of it's veracity....
Cheers,
-Chris
Paul
Well-Known Member
wdwrx said:
um... I think most if it has to do with the fact that most guys don't take the time to really learn their stones well enough to get them to perform and instead of blaming themselves, they blame the amount of praise heaped on the stone to the vintage ones must be better. Who knows what's really going on with that, but the claim is specious at best, ridiculous and insulting to our intelligence at worst.
Regarding 2 vs 3... reverse fish story, I guess
Smythe
Well-Known Member
3 out of 136???? Who is it that comes up with this garbage?
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On the other hand…. I suspect there are some vintage Coticules not fit for sharpening razors... or anything else for that matter)… I have 2 in my possession… no matter how hard I try, just cannot get a razor shave ready... they wont even cut soft steel… anyone want to try one out?
: On the other hand…. I suspect there are some vintage Coticules not fit for sharpening razors... or anything else for that matter)… I have 2 in my possession… no matter how hard I try, just cannot get a razor shave ready... they wont even cut soft steel… anyone want to try one out?
Bart
Well-Known Member
Smythe said:
Geologically, Coticules are extracted from the "Les Plattes" member of the Stavelot massive. Within "Les Plattes" there are 4 Coticule deposits. Tier d'Ol Preu, where the quarry is located has access to one of these deposits. The mine in Regné gives access to another deposit. All deposits contain, next to Coticule layers, also yellow layers of rock that has no, or almost no abrasive properties. Geologists call that pseudo-Coticule. At Ol Preu the situation is fairly simple. There's only one layer, called "La Veine aux Clous, that has only limited abrasive properties. But at other former mining spots, the situation was much more complicated, and I suspect that a less experiences miner could occasionally mix stones from a pseudo-Coticule layer with thos of a good layer. At Ardennes, the entire production passes through the hands of Maurice Celis, proprietor of the company. But I wonder if this was the same in the old days, when 100000's of Coticules were exported all over the world each year. I can imagine that some companies, at the verge of stopping activity, didn't worry too much about what they were shipping.
I would be happy to try these stones, Cedrick.
Kind regards,
Bart.
PS. I marked a few words in bold, to emphasize where I was speculating.