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Getting frustrated...

Well here's what I did today...

Took the Razor back to the DMT 1200. It wasn't cutting hair, but after about 4-5 passes on the linen, it was passing the HHT test nicely. From there, I went to the coticule with slurry and proceeded to a dilution. After finising with water only, the razor wouldn't pass the HHT test at all. Since the bevel on the razor became quite wide, I did the DMT and coticule with 2 layers of tape. After getting no results with the HHT, I added two more layers and decided to go with the unicot. After that, the razor was passing the HHT pretty well, but not perfectly. I then decided to strop her up and give it a test spin. The shave was pretty good, a little pulling here and there, but very little irration. Overall, a decent shave, but not on par with my other japanese razor (H. Diamond #1000)

JF
 
If your bevel is getting wider it leads me to believe you are using too much pressure. That would cause the issues you are seeing if this is the case.
 
That makes sense. I don't know how to finally fix it up. I'm thinking of going to the DMT 1200 with no tape, followed by a full dilution and then tape and a secondary bevel.
 
In the interst of minimal spine wear I would use one tape and a very light touch til bevel is normal again and the proceed on the coticule with no tape if its fast or just a few passes without tape on the DMT then on to the Coti. Don't be in a hurry it only takes longer. Some stones cut better with less slurry too so you may need to find the right mix.
 
Well I went back to the DMT 1200 with one layer of tape until it was shaving hair well. Following that I went to the coticule with slurry followed by lighter slurry. I then decided to add one layer of tape and go the unicot way. The razor passes the HHT quite well except for maybe 0.3-.0.5 cm at the very heel of the razor. I always have a hard time getting the entire blade especially the very heel to sharpen up. I'm sure most barbers didn't even care since you would not really use that part of the blade anyways.

JF
 
jfdupuis said:
Well I went back to the DMT 1200 with one layer of tape until it was shaving hair well. Following that I went to the coticule with slurry followed by lighter slurry. I then decided to add one layer of tape and go the unicot way. The razor passes the HHT quite well except for maybe 0.3-.0.5 cm at the very heel of the razor. I always have a hard time getting the entire blade especially the very heel to sharpen up. I'm sure most barbers didn't even care since you would not really use that part of the blade anyways.

JF
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Our own barber of renown has mentioned that very thing. It really does appear that you might have overdone the honing. If you did much work on the dmt without the intermediate minor stropping, you could have had the edges met and not know it and the use up quite a bit of steel pretty quickly. I think I would do a little trig and see what the bevel angle is. Bon chance, Denny
 
tat2Ralfy said:
DJKELLY said:
I think I would do a little trig and see what the bevel angle is. Bon chance, Denny
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Or indeed use this sites calculator from the Coticule Sharpening Academy Wedge Section:

http://www.coticule.be/wedges.html

Download from here:

http://www.coticule.be/wedges.html?file=tl_files/barts_pics/Bevel_angle_calculation.xls

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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DJKELLY said:
jfdupuis said:
Well I went back to the DMT 1200 with one layer of tape until it was shaving hair well. Following that I went to the coticule with slurry followed by lighter slurry. I then decided to add one layer of tape and go the unicot way. The razor passes the HHT quite well except for maybe 0.3-.0.5 cm at the very heel of the razor. I always have a hard time getting the entire blade especially the very heel to sharpen up. I'm sure most barbers didn't even care since you would not really use that part of the blade anyways.

JF
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Our own barber of renown has mentioned that very thing. It really does appear that you might have overdone the honing. If you did much work on the dmt without the intermediate minor stropping, you could have had the edges met and not know it and the use up quite a bit of steel pretty quickly. I think I would do a little trig and see what the bevel angle is. Bon chance, Denny
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The angle of two razors in my collection counts 20 and 21 degrees.The angle does not bacome due to blade wear(no less width),thats the manufacturer provisioning.It is little bit difficult to hone them . But once reach in a extremely keeness , the mentioned edge lasts a year without more
treatment.I have in mint to expose these dissertations in a new post.
Best regards
Emmanuel
 
WEll bad news...still no real improvement with this one. I'm really starting to think that I should send it out to someone. I've tried a bit of everything and the edge just does not want to get where I want it to be.

JF
 
Thanks for the kind offer. I think I will give it a few more trials this weekend and if I can`t get it to work I`ll certainly send it your way :)
 
jfdupuis said:
No I do not. Maybe I will try honing it with my other coticule. It has a more traditional shape.

JF
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emmanuel said:
Dear jfdupuis my experience leads me to suggest something .
Put the blade on the certified flat surface like a pane, wactcing that the spine ang the edge
touch along the entire length both sides.If not, thats a razor defect.
The only way to hone the razor successful is to do it on the stone no larger than 30 mm.
Good luck
Wishes
Emmanuel
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Jf you didnt reply me about the summetrical spine .Did it try?
Emmanuel
 
Sorry about that. My only real 'flat' surface would be the DMT which is supposed to be perfectly flat.
 
Take a sharpy marker and run it down the bevel. Next do a pass with your coticule and you'll see where the razor is not hitting in your stroke. Maybe it will help you?
 
My point is....There should be nothing left after the first pass so it might be a warped blade and thats why you are having trouble. I suggest you put the DMT away while you have a nice blade still and either fix it with the Coti or admit defeat and send it off. I mean no harsh words, I don't want you to ruin your blade if it has special needs.
 
Hey,

send me your address and I`ll ship the razor to you sometime this week. I`ve tried again and I can get the blade to pass HHT but not at the very tip of the razor and at the heel. It`s weird since all the marker got removed from those areas too. I think I might have messed up the blad ea bit.
 
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