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Just been reading up on puma paste. By the sounds of it , it is cromium oxide in a waxy carrier. extra fine. not sure how good that kind is.

gary
 
garyhaywood said:
Just been reading up on puma paste. By the sounds of it , it is cromium oxide in a waxy carrier. extra fine. not sure how good that kind is.

gary
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Well, all I know about it is taht it's said to be smooth, very (extra?) fine, for sure, finer than TI and diamond paste, as far as i know...

Edit : On coupechouclub, they consider it's the softer except one now unavailabe "magic" red paste that a mamber had from eastern europe... But I can't tell more about it.

Well, in fact, it's CCC's experimented members favorite paste, except some who prefers the diamond speed, but consider it's harder (harsher) on shaving...
 
have you got te link so i can read up on there method, i never heard of them. I have dp and ti stuff, plus crox. Me personal find the ti rasoir paste to be very smooth infact you can use it after dp to smooth the harsness. It sharpens rapidly and leaves an edge very similar to a coticule only if you used a coticule before hand.

gary
 
Hey Gary, Here are the topic speaking about puma paste :

The fris is dedicated to puma (there are other ones, but this one sums up good the thing) :

http://coupechouclub.cultureforum.net/t6407-pourquoi-plus-la-pate-puma?highlight=puma

And this link refers to a topic on all abrasives and pastes, with different opinions, results from members who tried differnt stones, pastes, etc...

http://coupechouclub.cultureforum.net/t813-le-grand-sujet-sur-les-pierres-et-les-abrasifs

Sorry, everything is in French... In the first, I've red they found Ti white paste more agressive on skin than puma...
 
I understand that Bertrand has performed a dilucot on his razor an as he was not satisfied with the edge he made 100 X strokes on a selfmade paddle strop with Crox and he fears that the new edge is too convex
To my mind, I think the edge is not too convex and he can directly go to the tape stage of unicot without needind to reset the bevel.


Regards

Laurent
 
Yep, that's it : you understood my question (I actually think both Gary and Laurent did) : so I don't need to reset the bevel before doing unicot... (because the stroke on paste were not so important to make the bevel too convex for unicot)
 
bbr6704 said:
Hey Gary, Here are the topic speaking about puma paste :

The fris is dedicated to puma (there are other ones, but this one sums up good the thing) :

http://coupechouclub.cultureforum.net/t6407-pourquoi-plus-la-pate-puma?highlight=puma

And this link refers to a topic on all abrasives and pastes, with different opinions, results from members who tried differnt stones, pastes, etc...

http://coupechouclub.cultureforum.net/t813-le-grand-sujet-sur-les-pierres-et-les-abrasifs

Sorry, everything is in French... In the first, I've red they found Ti white paste more agressive on skin than puma...
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well i don't speak much french. thanx any way. I think it may depend on the hone before hand. coming of the coticule the ti is so face reindly and easily as good if not my favourite over crox. i had a razor from ti finished on 0.25 and ti paste and it was harsh on my face the hones before were naniwas. i never had a rough edge of ti paste . there are quite a thew on here that have found it smooth finisher some have said they like d the ti followed by crox. i guess its what you get on with.

gary

gary
 
Bertand,

With your previous unicot attempt did you get a clear HHT 3 on thick hair at at least 1cm from the holding point?
If not you can add some very light X-strokes with tape on water to see if that improves (as for the maintenance of unicot egde)

did you strop it well 60 canvas/ 60 linen (based on a strop of about 40cm long)?

Are you also sure your tape thickness is 0.15mm (to measure it with more accuracy you can stick together some layers of tape and then divide the thickness and divide by the number of layers)?

Regards

Laurent
 
Well, HHt was was quite good, I think near from 3... I'll try it agin, I'm think I hold the hair closer than 1cm.

I stropped It as said, carfefuly, on canvas (a piece of jeans in fact :blush:, but it's told to be ok...) 60 times, and a bit more tahn 60 on my approx 35 cm paddle.

And the tape I bought is told to be 0.15 (writen on the label), as far as I can trust the chinese factory who made it... :confused:

I've got to go now, i'll tell you tomorrow what it's all about (I think I'm going to try unicot on a heavier razor tonight...)

Have a good night sirs.

See you soon.

Bertrand.
 
As far as I remember, it was a little 3 at the end of the stone (I stropped the razor after...) : after stropping, i'd say a good 3. I stropped it again yesterday night : I'd now say I get a 3,5 HHT.

And I also did unicot on the pther razor I talked about : a 5 or 6/8 full hollow old TI (IMO from the 60's).

So I did 30 on slurry, then 60 on water : HHT 1-2... :(

So again 60 on water, HHT : 3, but not on near the nose... so I did a few more strokes on coticule : about 20 on the nose part, then ten on the whole edge, & I got a good three on all the edge... :thumbup:

Then I stropped It, 60 on jean, 60 on leather : HHT i'd say 3,8 (still a little catching on the edge).

And this morning, juste before shaving, 20 strokes on leather, and test shave... And I had a good shave! :thumbup:

I mean, the blade was soft, smooth, I have been able to do ATG (wich is very rare, for exemple I've never been able of ATG with a DE, too painfull, no mater of the DE setting, blade...)

So I've got quite BBS (nearly everywhere), It's for sure the closest shaving I've been able to have since I use a straight.

And without many fire (razor burn I presume?) : I've got to points that still burn : on the right whisker (under my nose), and one point on may throat (always on the right part : I'm lefty, so I think I'm not so good on the right part of my face...)

Anyway, with such an edge, I'm quite sure I'm able to get a good shave with WTG and XTG, and that it will be smooth and confortable (I don't mind if I don't reach the best BBS availaible now, there's no hurry, I'm quite sure it will improve with time..)

So, to conclude, it was a nice shave, to begin a nice day!

Thank you for your advices Gentlemen!
 
:thumbup: Bertrand

Glad you get an edge which you feel confortable with. With good stropping you will be able to keep that good edge for a while.
 
Hello gentlemen,

Well, today, i must confessI'm stubborn, nearly ill...

Last sunday was a coti sunday, I had a razor to hone, and I did (a faux-fraleback, tried this morning, shaves well! I used tape on it as it was really difficul to get a good & nice bevel on all the balde lenght). Now, it's fine!

And when I say stubborn I mean : I was kind of frustrated because I used tape on my little é light peroux-cognet. And as I watched the blade with a magnifier, I saw the bevel hadn't the same size everywher along the edge, and there was a little "kind of chip" on it... So I decided to re-hone it yesterday, and to do it without tape (I know, taht's not clever, but kind of personnal challenge).

So here's what I did : I did full dilucot, from the begining to clear water. HHT : between 0 and 1,5...:thumbdown:

Then, I did regular X strokes on very very light slurry, then clear water again, HHt : 1/2... :-/

Then I did series of 30 regular X-strokes on clear water only : HHT after each serie, untill I get to a good HHT 3-3,5... And that worked! :thumbup:

After linen/leather, the blade easilly cuts my lady's thin hair, holding them at 1cm... I think it's a good 4 (I'm not sure it could be 5, but the hair cuts imediatly as it touches the edge.):thumbup: :thumbup:

So, this morning i didn't tried this one (it will be tomorrow), as I wanted to try a full shave with my faux-frameback, but I'd like your opinion on my "stubborn method" :

Is it a good option to do as many strokes on water untill I get a good HHT right out of the stone?... :confused:
 
bbr6704 said:
Is it a good option to do as many strokes on water untill I get a good HHT right out of the stone?... :confused:
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Definitely! It might take you quite a long time, and mind you, the bevel MUST be properly set, otherwise you're just polishing bevel faces that don't meet at keen enough edge. But judging from what you have described, this requirement has probably been fulfilled.

Water won't ever hurt , and you're most likely to squeeze everything what can be squeezed from your stone, at your current honing skill level. :thumbup: My first definite success with a coticule was also after extra work with water.

good luck edit: (erm, actually it should just say 'Have a good shave'),
Matt
 
Bravo Emmanuel! Glad to see some of you try to speak french! :thumbup:

So today I sahved with my Peroux-Cognet, my small & light razor... well it has imrpoved, it's quite a good shaver, but still not my best.

But i'm quite sure this doesn't come from it's edge, on not only. I'm not sure, but I'd say it comes from his weight : as it's lighter, I think I put too much pressure on the blade, witch causes me some little irritations...

But, I'll continue shavind with it, paying more attention to my technique (some areas are well shaved, soft and not burning, so it's possible!)

So I'm happy cause I think I'm near from dilucot : I don't master it yet, cause I had to push the finishing stage (maybie that means my dilution stage isn't that good (could be too fast?)), but with some extra time, it comes to a good result.

I hope that with some practice, it'll come to a better result... Even if I dont' mind : as far as I don't do mistakes, i don't care spending extre time on the hone (but my girlfriend may prefer i dilucot faster... ;) )

Tomorrow, I'll try again with my Peroux-Cognet and maybie with my Unicot Thiers-Issard... (both of them, maybie one side with one, the other side with the other, to compare results and sensations...)
 
Bravo Bertrand

I have never succeeded to get a real HHT-4 without cheating (use of Crox to cross the gap...). But an HHT-4 edge like some experienced user can achieve demands to improve the shaving technique with using very light touch, short strokes... and too sharp an edge can be a little harsh depending on your skin


Regards

Laurent
 
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