* Inconsistency

[Toff]

I would offer that the word "amateur' is a saying which has the true meaning of 'one who loves.' So therefore, an amateur in the true sense would be perhaps more skilled than a professional that does not love. At least in the later arts of which we speak or do we?!
There are folks who after a couple attempts at any particular skill are so far ahead of others that they are soon in a class by themselves. I have met them in all the varied walks I took in my life of work.
I guess, that there will be no name fully accepted here for a good guy with a blade and a hone??
Respectfully
~Richard

 

[hoglahoo]

The word honemeister fills a need in its proper setting of internet razor forums. Maybe the need will be denied filling here or elsewhere if it is overly misused and/or misinterpreted. I think I'll keep using it though, it's a fun word

 

[Paul]

The word honemeister fills a need in its proper setting of internet razor forums. Maybe the need will be denied filling here or elsewhere if it is overly misused and/or misinterpreted. I think I'll keep using it though, it's a fun word

Ok, I'll bite: What need, exactly, is that?

I've had this conversation with Lynn, and he told me it made him kind of uneasy. I'm sure he finds it flattering, who wouldn't, but if no one called him "honemeister", I seriously doubt people would fail to recognize his expertise or experience. If no one called Glen a "honemeister", every one would be able to gather from the experience and knowledge that he consistently shares and how many guys he helps with their questions and difficulties, not to mention the numerous votes of confidence from senior members who have experienced his work, that he knows what's going on.

So, it might be a fun word, but the idea that it fills some sort of need that goes unmet because some people tap the breaks on the hyperbole wagon seems odd to me...

 

[Bart]

You are correct Paul. I don't think the people who got bestowed upon with the "honemeister" title, chose it themselves. And they certainly don't need it, to be recognized upon their merits.
Personally, I have a rather big aversion for authoritative arguments. Something does not become more true because Einstein said it, or because "a honemeister" told you so. Advice, knowledge, information, it all needs to make sense, to be valid. Einstein wouldn't have been considered one of the greatest minds ever, if he didn't succeed in getting his ideas across in a manner that made sense to his audience. The soon as someone starts to depend upon a title to proof the validity of his statements, something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Titles seem to invite humans to become lazy in their explanation, and expect that their reputation grants them a right to be credible. And the worst of it all is, that they often interpret critical questioning not as a demand for proper argumentation, but as an attack upon their reputation. That's usually the point where things take a vindictive turn. The best teachers I ever met in my life, never called upon their title or position to get their message across. In fact, they resented the idea to be higher ranked than their students.

Kind regards,
Bart.

 

[hoglahoo]

the idea that it fills some sort of need that goes unmet because some people tap the breaks on the hyperbole wagon seems odd to me...

I guess I'm just an odd kind of guy. After all, I call myself a hoglahoo, which is another hyperbolic title. I don't think the brake-tapping will cause the need to go unmet though, as some other word will emerge to fill its place. Or maybe I think the misuse of the term is being taken too seriously (who has been directly negatively impacted by use of the word honemeister?) and so I'm making light of it - that's probably it. So I guess there's more opinion in my position than objective reason. typical of a hoglahoo

 

[Chasmo]

In referring to these honemeisters would the term only refer to honing a razor or would it imply that the meister is equally skilled at honing lathe knives, lathe bits, reamers, twist drills, chisels, plane blades, butcher knives, well you get my drift. Honing is only one facet of Barbering, Machinist, Carpentry, Blacksmithing, Gunsmithing, Clockmaker and the like. I'm really not an absolutist and don't mind that folks tag others with titles. But, fellow hombres de los cuchillos (how’s that for coining a phrase) I think that you all should have a beer. Really, where is your sensitivity? I just found out that I’m guilty of pogonotomy. Thanks Bart.

Just stirring the pot a bit

Very Respectfully

Chasmo

 

[Guest]

Since one (or more, I didn't check too frequently lately) particularly vocal so called honemiester keeps banging on about how knife honing has nothing!!!!! to do with razor honing, it seems safe to assume that a honemeister is someone with god like abilities in the area of honing razors and knives, whereas a knife honing god is, well, just very good at honing knives.

Tricky area, no doubt. Very lucrative, too, either way. Being German, I would shoot the first (and any subsequent) person to refer to me as whatever-meister, simply because the word Meister in German has a completely different meaning from its English jargon version.

Oh yeah, anyone remember Bart's attempt at setting up a honemeister accreditation programme? Very LULZworthy thread, that one. Dig it up, kick off your shoes, open a beer, and enjoy the ride down IQ-80-but-entrepeneurial-in-a-shilling-way avenue.

Lovely weather, by the way. Enjoy the week-end, chaps.

Robin

 

[hoglahoo]

true the weather is nice, but never let it be said I helped a thread go off-topic