Dulicot honing method by Bart?

[hi_bud_gl]

So far everything ok. If we can succeed to make the line where both bevel faces meet each other, fine enough, we'll have a razor that shaves well. This is our goal. On a polishing stone (such as the vast mojority of Coticules when used with water) it can be impossible to reach this goal, because the hone only polishes the bevel faces. It fairly easily eats through the peaks of the scratch pattern left by a previous hone, but once it starts to reach the valleys of that scratch pattern, it slows down, incapable to remove the kind of solid steel, required for refining our bevel.
Bart.

Interesting?
if Our Coticule incabable to remove the kind of solid steel ? how in the world you have made one coticule honing method?
why after couple of strokes steel comes out of the blade? and you are calling it is not capable to remove steel?

NOW. Let's lift the spine, by putting a layer of tape underneath. The razor will now no longer rest on the flat bevel, but it tips onto the very edge. Time to make a stroke. Instead of polishing the entire bevel, the hone now works only at a very tip of the bevel. All its action is concentrated on that part. Instead of just polishing, it now effectively removes steel. With each stroke a new bevel (at slightly different angle) forms. With each stroke the new bevel grows wider and the action slows down till the point the hone is just polishing again. So the advantage of adding tape is only temporary. But it works well, not only on a Coticule, but on a other finishing hones as well.

Again nonsense Bart.
why i can use 1 coticule put great edge but not another one?
You don't want to accept i said i did get great edge with one coticule without using any method . just regular honing.
What i am saying if your stone is not quality stone doesn't matter what you do will not help. Now you can say and your friends can support you and ideas it doesn't matter to me.
have fun.gl

 

[Guest]

why i can use 1 coticule put great edge but not another one?

Judging from your performance here so far, 'because your are an incompetent prole' comes to mind. I think I've said it before, but I'll gladly say it again: Maybe your honing expertise is enough to get your eBay junkers 'shave ready' to sell them in bulk, but apart from that, you seem to have a lot to learn. And I don't mean manners only.

Gentlemen, I would like to apologise on behalf of our Russian comrade here. Apparently, he does not know better.

Best wishes,
Robin

 

[sparq]

Hello folks. I feel bad for checking in in this particular thread but being a natural born provocateur, I cannot help myself. For some reason, the reasoning and intent that I have seen in this thread reminds me of one particular discussion at the SRP that was terminated with the "Straight Razor Coticule" ending. I think I know why the idea of an affordable versatile natural hone with an excellent user manual raises so much scare among some but I am not going there (for now).

To Hi_bud_gl: it takes me weeks to figure out a new natural hone in my collection and cotis are among the trickiest ones given their vibrant nature. It is commendable that you managed to evaluate over 130 of them in a relatively short time frame, well done. How much time did you spend with each btw.?

 

[tat2Ralfy]

Deep Sigh...............

Ok I am now more than bored shitless with the puerile posts of some in this thread, so unless my email notifications reveal something VERY worth reading going on, this will be my last post in this thread.

Sham did you forget about slurry? and the whole world of differences that makes, no-one said about honing from scratch on water only, but you would have to be an idiot to think that was the idea.

Signing off
Ralfson (Dr)
Master of honing on coticules (well not too shabby on 100% of the 6 or 7 I have used)

 

[Bart]

On a polishing stone (such as the vast majority of Coticules when used with water) it can be impossible to reach this goal, because the hone only polishes the bevel

Interesting?
if Our Coticule incapable to remove the kind of sold steel ? how in the world you have made one coticule honing method? why after couple of strokes steel comes out of the blade? and you are calling it is not capable to remove steel?

I said "when used with water". Surely you are able to discern the difference between honing on water and honing on slurry?

NOW. Let's lift the spine, by putting a layer of tape underneath. The razor will now no longer rest on the flat bevel, but it tips onto the very edge.
(...)
But it works well, not only on a Coticule, but on other finishing hones as well.

Again nonsense Bart.

Yes, that opinion of yours is noted already. I've presented my reasoning on how it works and why it works. Myself and others have also testified that it works on the Coticules we own. So far, you've not even testified that it doesn't work for you. You simply refuse to try. Neither have you presented any arguments that invalidate the theory. Calling something nonsense, is not the same as proving it wrong.

why i can use 1 coticule put great edge but not another one?
You don't want to accept i said i did get great edge with one coticule without using any method . just regular honing.

Oh, but I do accept that. If you care to look at the hones in the Vault, you'll see that I use 3 qualifications for keenness coming off milky slurry: + (shaves my arm hair barely), ++ (shaves my arm hair well), +++(sufficient to shave my face).
It appears to me that you can only use Coticules that rate "+++". But when you master the producers presented on this website, that becomes pretty irrelevant. And before you start arguing that, in the past, they only sold "+++" hones to barbers, most vintage hones I've tested score "+" or "++".

What i am saying if your stone is not quality stone doesn't matter what you do will not help. Now you can say and your friends can support you and ideas it doesn't matter to me.

It is your prerogative to dismiss these methods as nonsense. Like I said earlier: you've created yourself a nice self-fulfilling prophecy. Coticules indeed behave exactly as you say they do, when used your way. If you have the right ones, you can even build yourself a Coticule progression: start on a fast one with slurry to correct the bevel, refine the edge on one with +++ for slurry-keenness-limit, and finish on the one you like best for edge smoothness.
Yet, the way I was raised, you don't need to buy 2 or 3 items if you can achieve the same, or even better, with just one and some additionally acquired skills.
I'm going to step out of the discussion now. All the facts are presented here and in the articles under the "Coticule Sharpening Academy" menu of this website. Repeating the same arguments won't add anything substantial to the discussion.

Best regards,
Bart.

 

[Bart]

Final warning about the insulting tone used in this thread. Please adhere to the rules of conduct, and make your points in a gentlemanlike manner.
When someone fails to display good manners, that does not invite any one to do the same.
A point made rudely usually gains less weight than one made with eloquence.

No one of the moderation team likes to close a thread, but we will if things don't improve.

Bart.