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Honing On Japanese Natural Hones, an ongoing journal

I know JimR is away enjoying his summer right now but when I tried accessing this link today it no longer exists and there is a 404 message. :confused:

There's also a later blog by jimR talking about how he was shown a much different ratio and pattern for honing his japanese razor.
 
Recently I bough Ozuku Kiita stone and my honing procedure is as follows:

-after final honing on Coticule I raise very light slurry with Tomonagura on Ozuku Kita (7-8 rubbing with Tomonagura)
-I did about 30-40 laps and then start to dilute for another 30-40 laps (I add 1-2 drops of water every 10 laps)
-when finished razor was able to pass HHT test but I know that it can be better so I continue as follows
-I rinse razor and hone well and hit linen side of my Kanayama strop for about 10 laps
-after that I did 20 laps on hone just with water
-repeat last two steps for 3-4 times
-finally I did about 30 laps on linen and 30 laps on leather side of the strop

Shaving......What to say? Just amazing. Razor glide over the skin as never before and provide excellent shave. The skin stays as before shaving, no irritation, no burn when AS was applied.
 
Interesting, Theo. So you jumped back and forth between a rigid linen and finishing on water, until the edge maxed out, did I get that right?
I'm definitely going to try that one time. There could be something advantageous from cleaning the blade off all honing debris a couple times during the finishing process. If could also have its merits on other hones.

Thanks for sharing,
Bart.
 
Bart said:
Interesting, Theo. So you jumped back and forth between a rigid linen and finishing on water, until the edge maxed out, did I get that right?
I'm definitely going to try that one time. There could be something advantageous from cleaning the blade off all honing debris a couple times during the finishing process. If could also have its merits on other hones.

Thanks for sharing,
Bart.
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Yes, you understand the point well (btw. linen is Kanayama one)
But, also I have to say that after slurry stage I hit linen for 20 laps little bit "harder hand" than after the water stage. Between each water stage blade just "flying" over the linen without any pressure.
My first try with Ozuku Kiita after the Coticule (without these hone-linen stages) did not provide satisfactory result so I try above system and it definitely works for me but that not mean it will work with every stone, maybe will, who knows......
Also I try shaving after the water stage without final stropping on leather and shaving was very pleasure but after final stropping on leather it was amazing.
 
I've got one of these stones on order and am dead excited about it.
It's good to get as many perspectives as possible of how to use this hone.
I've heard reports that the shave is not disimilar to diamond spray but without the harshness.

Joe
 
Deckard said:
I've heard reports that the shave is not disimilar to diamond spray but without the harshness.

Joe
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I never try diamond sprays just diamond pastes but I suppose that's the same thing. I did not like edges from 0.5MB and especially 0.25MB. They was too harsh for me and they need Cr2OX refinement.
Ozuku deliveres very sharp edge but smooth as from Coticule (maybe few % smoother) but you have to be care with slurry thickeness because thick slurry stage will deliver harsh edge.
 
when you get yours deck (joe)

try just water after the edges finished on coti, try 50 laps on water. and compare any diffrance, try another 50 before each shave, see how that goes.

then try 50 with very light slurry to water to 50 laps on clean water, don't be frightend of doing plenty of laps . mine works just like a coticule, so basicly just use it like you'd use coticule.

for finishing after coti, i would'nt use any more than misty slurry, if your slurry is any more just dilute gradule. justv slurry made my edge rough as in shaved but not smooth, ie not keene enought.

i tryed on the razors you now have and with my first two razors after coticule edge, a very good coti edge, i found the differance to be very good. i have to say te razors did feel sharper , defanatley closer shave with the grain, smoothness was the same, just diffrant feel. i did'nt have as much success on my dovo this mrning the shave was not quite there. Coti edge before was the better shave, so i must of not done enough onwater or to much on slurry , ah well. thats honing.

I realy do like these stone's or stone that i have , any one that like 's coticule s will like the j nats, tey feel every bit as smooth a coti to hone on.

gary
 
garyhaywood said:
for finishing after coti, i would'nt use any more than misty slurry, if your slurry is any more just dilute gradule. justv slurry made my edge rough as in shaved but not smooth, ie not keene enought.

gary
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+1 for roughness
 
king said:
garyhaywood said:
for finishing after coti, i would'nt use any more than misty slurry, if your slurry is any more just dilute gradule. justv slurry made my edge rough as in shaved but not smooth, ie not keene enought.

gary
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+1 for roughness
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king so you have found just light slurry to water graduly then finishing on plain water is working well? have you tryed just water only after a coticule?if so what did you think, or how did it shave?
 
Garry,

I did not try just water after the Coticule with razors I honed until now, but definitely I will try tommorow and next few days with other razors I have.
At first I use thick slurry but in the end edges was harsh and very unpleasant, so I decide to go with thin slurry (just 5-8 rubbing with Tomonagura stone over the base stone) diluted to water stage. After that I find that edges are excellent. Also, as I told few posts above I use linen component between honing series on water.
I am not 100% sure if numerous strokes on water only will deliver satisfactory edge because, for example, my Ozuku have tendency to smooth edge on water only so that's reason why I think that's better to go with slurry for some laps and then to smooth everything on water only.
 
...btw. main reason why I go with misty slurry is that I want to remove all "scratches"that Coticule left (some not visible with naked eye but definitely visible under 100X magnification) and Ozuku with slurry have power to remove them....
 
defanatley thick or medium is not nesacerry. i would go with just a thew rubs to form a misty slurry.btw i have shaved of misty slurry and it was a very good shave .

gary
 
king said:
...btw. main reason why I go with misty slurry is that I want to remove all "scratches"that Coticule left (some not visible with naked eye but definitely visible under 100X magnification) and Ozuku with slurry have power to remove them....
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i noticed with medium slurry ad back and forth strokes, my ozuku cuts pritty well? hows your cut with slurry? i could esily set a predulle bevl and do a dilucot, infact i have done just that. it worked a treat.
gary
 
garyhaywood said:
defanatley thick or medium is not nesacerry......btw i have shaved of misty slurry and it was a very good shave .

gary
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At first I have problems with thick slurry because razor (Mastro Livi one) which was honed on Coticule (dilucot) and pass HHT was not able to pass HHT after honing on thick slurry. Obviously edge falls down after honing on thick slurry.
I did not try to shave after misty slurry but razor pass HHT without stropping so definitely it will be possible to shave right from the slurry but I shave right from just water stage without stroping on leather side and shave was pleasant but not close.
 
garyhaywood said:
i noticed with medium slurry ad back and forth strokes, my ozuku cuts pritty well? hows your cut with slurry? i could esily set a predulle bevl and do a dilucot, infact i have done just that. it worked a treat.
gary
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I use just back-forth strokes (sometimes circles but in general just back-forth) and I can say that my Ozuku is also pretty fast on slurry. 2 sets of 10 back-forth strokes is enough that slurry change colour in very dark one, especially when Kamisori honed (slurry become very dark almost black).
Do you have any idea how type of Tomonagura stone have influence in whole sharpening process (my Tomonagura stone is Nakayama Suita)???
 
i have not got a clue, on that one. my slurry stone is a tommo somthing or other, i think its for finishing stages. my stone its self generated slurry fairly well.
gary
 
...and one important thing is pressure. With Coticule I use some pressure but with Ozuku there is no any significant pressure. Just the razor weight. I try to add some pressure (aprox. same as on Coticule) but in that case edge also fall down. So, definitely no pressure for me....
 
yes i do agree. moving from coticule that has to be also shave ready, idon't see any reason for using pressure on j nat.
gary
 
Also this all was for razors honed using Dilucot without micro bevel but how to hone the razors honed using Unicot with cutted micro bevel in the end.
I have just one razor (TI Silverwing II) with microbevel and need your opinions about finishing it with JNat (which way to use slurry on that one)????
 
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