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kanayama strop.....the next

Well i just stroped again on my k linen just to double check. Boy its amazingly better . I can see what bart what means now . I like just as much as my other linens. checked hht after linen no decline. When it was stiff and hard it seemed to me the edge was not getting into the linen strop . Now its softer with some flex , it seems like its working.:thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Robin, you kill me. I did no such thing. This is the real problem with this thread. Instead of reading the posts, people make assumptions.

I asked Bart how he came to own the strop as a means to bring to his remembrance the rather frank posts that he made defending members who claimed to be dissatisfied with their Kanayama strops.

I can see you missing that point the first time around, but I clarified that point, and offered quotes from one of the said members who cited actual loss in keenness as measured by HHT.

I will not apologize because I did not accuse him of anything except forgetting what happened. He bought the strop due to reportedly bad results from members here. He said as much, and I simply tried to use that to jog his memory.

No need to apologize for your libelous accusation though :lol:
 
garyhaywood said:
Right i have used barts breaking in method . This did make a better differance. While this discustion has been going on, my Kanayama linen has been soaked in fabric conditioner. Also been dryed naturaly for two days. I also ironed it flat with plenty of steam. Now i just stroped on the linen . Now i'm saying it how it felt. I can onestly say it is ten times better . The linen feels loads softer and so usable. I actauly like it. I never thought i would say that.

The reason bart has this linen is because he wanted to make it usable for the guys that own the k linen. Thanks to bart it is now very usable i would never of botherd with it other wise.
I can see why some guys think you should'nt have to go to these lenghts when the strop is'nt cheap. The main thing is now i can use it. I'm going to do just that .

try conditioner and iron with bags of steam, it works.

Gary
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Thank you Gary. That is the kind of information we need to hear. (you are also right about my motivation for being involved in this thread :) )
What brand of laundry softener did you use? There are various types on the market, that not all rely on the same chemical and physical properties.

Kind regards,
Bart.

PS. Robin, thanks for getting us back on track.:thumbup:
 
Bart said:
garyhaywood said:
Right i have used barts breaking in method . This did make a better differance. While this discustion has been going on, my Kanayama linen has been soaked in fabric conditioner. Also been dryed naturaly for two days. I also ironed it flat with plenty of steam. Now i just stroped on the linen . Now i'm saying it how it felt. I can onestly say it is ten times better . The linen feels loads softer and so usable. I actauly like it. I never thought i would say that.

The reason bart has this linen is because he wanted to make it usable for the guys that own the k linen. Thanks to bart it is now very usable i would never of botherd with it other wise.
I can see why some guys think you should'nt have to go to these lenghts when the strop is'nt cheap. The main thing is now i can use it. I'm going to do just that .

try conditioner and iron with bags of steam, it works.

Gary
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Thank you Gary. That is the kind of information we need to hear. (you are also right about my motivation for being involved in this thread :) )
What brand of laundry softener did you use? There are various types on the market, that not all rely on the same chemical and physical properties.

Kind regards,
Bart.

PS. Robin, thanks for getting us back on track.:thumbup:
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I used Lenor very nice smell too. when i did this the linen felt stiff when wet. i thought this was a waste of time. once dryed it was totaly differant. I used the iron to get the linen real flat. as i beat it up it did have a slight bumpy ness to it. then i discoverd the old steam, and gave it some serious steam. Onestly it worked wonders.

you also have to remeber this linen is much much more thicker than usaul linen. Now it flex's better and there is move mant in the linen it feels better. Before it was to rigid and the razor did'nt get into the linen . Now it does it will be ok.

g
 
I've already given mine a bath in with some soap, but I didn't have liquid fabric softener at home. I'll stop by the grocery store to get some and will try a bit of steam too. I will report back after my next shave.
 
jfdupuis said:
I've already given mine a bath in with some soap, but I didn't have liquid fabric softener at home. I'll stop by the grocery store to get some and will try a bit of steam too. I will report back after my next shave.
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get lenor. fill bath with warm water . chuck plenty of softner in. Leave it for a good 3 hours. rinse it well. let it dry on it s hanger indoors. then iron it with the steam . leave it for a thew hours . then try it.
 
If I may add something? I've been doing some reading about these laundry softeners. Most of them can't do their work if there is any detergent left in the fabric. That's why they need to be add after the rinsing cycle. Hence if you have been washing the strop, I'd make sure it's very well rinsed.

Kind regards,
Bart
 
Also be careful with steam using.
If you used tap water in the iron previous there is great posibility that there is some clusters of the calculus in the iron steam holes which can sink in the linen and then ruin your razor edge when stropping.
 
I just decided to work on the second strap of Kanayama linen I have. My wife has one of those irons with a separate steam generator. Loads and loads of steam comes out of it.

I did a good steal ironing on the linen, both sides, the iron set on "linen", which is the hottest setting. It made the linen a little softer, but not as much as the mechanical break-in treatment.
After the ironing, I decide to do the mechanical treatment as well, which loosened the fabric, and then I ironned it some more.

I compared this strap (ironed and mechanically treated) with the other one (only mechanical treatment). The feel and behavior while stropping is completely identical on both.

This suggests that the use of laundry softener may be the important part in Gary's treatment. Of course the ironing is ideal for flattening the strop after soaking it in laundry softener.
I have compared both straps. There was no discernible shrinkage. I believe ironing can be declared a safe practice.

I like to repeat that, even though I will continue to seek improvement, both strops perfrom very nicely as they are now.
But let's strive for perfection.:)

Kind regards,
Bart.
 
I may have missed it exactly, and have seen it referenced, but how do you prevent shrinkage of the linen? I would be petrified to have a linen component 1/2 or 1" shorter than the leather aspect.
 
IsaacRN said:
I may have missed it exactly, and have seen it referenced, but how do you prevent shrinkage of the linen? I would be petrified to have a linen component 1/2 or 1" shorter than the leather aspect.
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On model #80000 which I have the linen component is separate from the leather component so it is not problem.
How to prevent? I think there is no way to prevent because every kind of fabric get shrink when washed in warm or hot water for some %.
 
Mine has'nt shrunk > infact with the breaking in i 'm sure mine is longer.. Mine is also seperate as i have the 80000 model.

regards gary
 
Question for you guys...Have you used the Kanayama linen directly after honing or only as regular "maintenance" stropping. After doing a lot of breaking in, I've determined that the linen does work to maintain an edge, but when it comes to the first after noning stropping session, it does not hold up to my webbed fabric strop.

JF
 
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