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To all struggling Dilucotters

I can tell you from my own experience now that this newly modified system definately has merit. I tried it both on a wedge and a standard hollow ground razor and the results were incredibly amazing for the little amount of time spent.

Ralfy, this is the second time Bart has beat you to the punch on an idea. Maybe you better have Alicia hide your keyboard when you are sleeping. You might be sleepwalking and sending your ideas to Bart and not even knowing it.....LOL..

Ray
 
My hats off to you Bart... like superman swoops down from the heavens... this new technique saves a whole bunch of time:thumbup:
 
i noticed lynn does a similar the thing with his circles then he finishes with just 10 laps. This is on synthetic naniwas .
 
I have to admit that I cursed at good ol' Lynn, the first couple of times I tried halfstrokes for the Dilutions phase.:D
It's probably not the man's doing, but having learned the basics of frazor sharpening on SRP I became fully indoctrinated with the "as little pressure as humanly possible" adage. It took me nearly 2 years to figure out that a Coticule with slurry at least requires some pressure to abrade steel with efficiency. But as soon as the bevel stage was done, I went back to "zero" pressure strokes as soon as possible, to do the Dilution phase. It took me almost another 2 years to figure that, if it didn't hurt while correcting the bevel, it might be worth a try to keep a finger on the razor during dilution stages as well.
With such a thick brain, my dear dr. Ralfson, I can't be that hard to beat.:p

Of course it's not Lynn's fault. It just once again illustrates how honing on a rather smooth stone like a Coticule, completely differs form honing on a fast, assertive synthetic as the Norton. Finishing seems the only thing that truly calls for as little pressure as possible on a Coticule.
Of course, with pressure, I'm not talking about bogging down on the razor. Just the presence of a finger, resting on the razor for stability during halfstrokes, is enough.

I'm not entirely sure about the number of dilutions or the numbers of halfstrokes in one set, but I'm planning to alter the Dilucot article when I've figured out what's the minimum amount needed.
I'll be doing a video as well.

Kind regards,
Bart.
 
Interesting findings! I really need to get myself a "test" razor to play around with. I'm currently waiting for my livi regrind from floppyshoes. New shoes and a hone job! Can't wait.

JF
 
Bart said:
...having learned the basics of frazor sharpening on SRP I became fully indoctrinated with the "as little pressure as humanly possible" adage. It took me nearly 2 years to figure out that a Coticule with slurry at least requires some pressure to abrade steel with efficiency. But as soon as the bevel stage was done, I went back to "zero" pressure strokes as soon as possible, to do the Dilution phase. It took me almost another 2 years to figure that, if it didn't hurt while correcting the bevel, it might be worth a try to keep a finger on the razor during dilution stages as well.
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I remember 2 years ago when I first learned to hone (on Belgians, no less!) from Howard Schechter @ ThePerfectEdge. He coached me many times over the phone & I remember once asking him about pressure & he said: "you're grinding steel; you will be using some pressure." He basically said that as your edge progresses, you should gradually taper off on the pressure until very near final finishing, where you're using basically none.

The "no pressure" thing probably comes from using Nortons or other synthetics the whole way through--as you say, Bart, not necessarily the same rules apply in the world of naturals, even from stone to stone. Look @ use of slurry, for instance...;)
 
Now you see I am maybe lucky in that I didnt have any experience what so ever before using Coticules :thumbup:
 
Ive been doing something similar to this for some time now; Hwever, I don't keep track of laps and instead of half strokes I do circles. It works ok for me. Ill have to try your method bart and see if I see any improvement.
 
I shaved today with my Dovo Best, honed using this method on my #10, Faultless absolutely faultless :thumbup:

However I was rushing to make a dental appointment, and as I wiped the blade with ass wipe, I managed to cut a nice deep slice into my thumb! bugger!

Dovo 1, Ralfson 0.

Lost another tooth as well, thats 4 in 6 months, ouch!

Dentist 4, Ralfson 0.
 
Ohhh dear Ralfy! Thats really tough luck and a lousy score:p

Hope you have better luck in the future.

Kindest regards
 
mrmaroon said:
Ive been doing something similar to this for some time now; Hwever, I don't keep track of laps and instead of half strokes I do circles. It works ok for me. Ill have to try your method bart and see if I see any improvement.
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My problem with circles is that I haven't figured how to deal with warp and smiling edges, using circles. With "halfstrokes", I can just use all the different X-style variations to deal with these issues.

My dear Ralfson. Don't forget to put the tooth under your pillow. Maybe the tooth fairy will exchange it for a Coticule or a nice razor. Or just an alum block. You never know when you get lucky.;) Get well soon, my friend.

Kind regards,
Bart.
 
Bart said:
My dear Ralfson. Don't forget to put the tooth under your pillow. Maybe the tooth fairy will exchange it for a Coticule or a nice razor. Or just an alum block. You never know when you get lucky.;) Get well soon, my friend.
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Thank you Sir Bart, You never know ;)
 
tat2Ralfy said:
Bart said:
My dear Ralfson. Don't forget to put the tooth under your pillow. Maybe the tooth fairy will exchange it for a Coticule or a nice razor. Or just an alum block. You never know when you get lucky.;) Get well soon, my friend.
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Thank you Sir Bart, You never know ;)
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Should it be a razor, don't slice your ear while you sleep.
:D
 
Hi all,

Just wanted to post a quick thanks to Bart for all the insights (not just Improved Dilucot but Original Dilucot and Unicot as well) AND everyone who has contributed their thoughts and comments in this post and all others.

I'm still learning my way around coticules and - while having dabbled with unicot a little - true to my nature, have been trying to tackle the more difficult road (e.g. Dilucot) right from the start.

Am making progress but have been second guessing my self on the amount of pressure needed. All the comments in this post have helped to give me a much better idea of how much/little pressure is needed. Turns out I've heard as light as possible so much in all the forum reading I did before trying my hand at honing I've been hesitant to use any pressure other than gravity. Combine that with the fact that my coti also appears to be a slower cutter and I'm beginning to understand why I haven't been able to get past HHT 3 at best.

Can not wait to get a little free time to experiment with a tad more pressure and the improved dilucot method now.

Thanks again!
 
I should have clarified, I don't use circles on smilers - only on straights. When I use my method I do 2 sets of 20 on each side (80 circles total) and add 2 drops. When it gets diluted down close enough I do X-strokes then repeat the process on the BBW. After that I go to the coti with water only and do X-strokes.

This all worked on my old barber coticule. I still havent figured out my new one yet. It is just so slow.
Bart said:
mrmaroon said:
Ive been doing something similar to this for some time now; Hwever, I don't keep track of laps and instead of half strokes I do circles. It works ok for me. Ill have to try your method bart and see if I see any improvement.
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My problem with circles is that I haven't figured how to deal with warp and smiling edges, using circles. With "halfstrokes", I can just use all the different X-style variations to deal with these issues.

My dear Ralfson. Don't forget to put the tooth under your pillow. Maybe the tooth fairy will exchange it for a Coticule or a nice razor. Or just an alum block. You never know when you get lucky.;) Get well soon, my friend.

Kind regards,
Bart.
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Caleb, maybe you need to get a hold of a fast slurry stone.
Just a thought.

Kind regards,
Bart.
 
Where would I acquire one of these bart? Just ask ardenees for a fast slurry stone? What layer is the fastest with slurry?
 
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