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Prices of stones in the Vault
- Thread starter Bart
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garyhaywood
Well-Known Member
yes i can confirm i want no 21 thanxs gary
BHChieftain
New Member
Hi,
Not exactly sure what the procedure is to reserve a stone, but if No.24 is available, I'd like to reserve it for purchase
-Chief
Not exactly sure what the procedure is to reserve a stone, but if No.24 is available, I'd like to reserve it for purchase
-Chief
garyhaywood
Well-Known Member
Bart it says no 21 is 38 rob just charged me 53 are those prices correct or rough estimates?
Bart
Well-Known Member
I tried to calculate the prices, but it's Ardennes that decided in the end.
For yours, I qualified it as "select" grade. No problem there.
For size, here's my calcullation:
20cm long X 2cm wide = 40 cm²
that leaves a triangle unaccounted with a base of 20cm and a height of 1.5cm
formula to calculate surface area of a triangle: (baseXheight)/2
that is 15cm²
40cm² + 15 cm³ = 55 cm²
According to Ardennes website, that's a bout size 7 (which also happens to be the box I took it from when I selected it
)
Size 7 select costs...38 euro
Size 8 select costs...53 euro
I clearly stated in the first post that the prices needed to be conformed with Ardennes. It is their call, not mine. I can only demonstrate how I did my best to determine the correct price. If I was mistaken, I can only apologize and discharge you from your promise to take the hone.
If I were you, I would copy and paste this post in an e-mail and send it to Rob, with my best regards attached. Please also include that I have every respect for their prices. If I were running Ardennes, that rare & beautiful "La Jaune" we 're talking about would cost more than they are asking. (If you use my calculations to bring to their attention that they might have made an error with estimating the size of that bout, please also include this last statement)
Kind regards,
Bart.
For yours, I qualified it as "select" grade. No problem there.
For size, here's my calcullation:
20cm long X 2cm wide = 40 cm²
that leaves a triangle unaccounted with a base of 20cm and a height of 1.5cm
formula to calculate surface area of a triangle: (baseXheight)/2
that is 15cm²
40cm² + 15 cm³ = 55 cm²
According to Ardennes website, that's a bout size 7 (which also happens to be the box I took it from when I selected it
)Size 7 select costs...38 euro
Size 8 select costs...53 euro
I clearly stated in the first post that the prices needed to be conformed with Ardennes. It is their call, not mine. I can only demonstrate how I did my best to determine the correct price. If I was mistaken, I can only apologize and discharge you from your promise to take the hone.
If I were you, I would copy and paste this post in an e-mail and send it to Rob, with my best regards attached. Please also include that I have every respect for their prices. If I were running Ardennes, that rare & beautiful "La Jaune" we 're talking about would cost more than they are asking. (If you use my calculations to bring to their attention that they might have made an error with estimating the size of that bout, please also include this last statement)
Kind regards,
Bart.
garyhaywood
Well-Known Member
ah it does'nt matter either way its only athew euros i'm sure its worth it thanxs gary
Bart
Well-Known Member
Indeed. Pictures are posted.
This time I moistened the hones, this emphasizes the shades and patterns.
There are a few curious cases. We have the speckled one, that feels completely smooth to the touch, which may come as a surprise if you look at the picture. The next one is the same type, but glued to the speckled side. Who purchases on of these gets an entirely new Coticule a few decades further down the hone. Isn't it amazing?
We have 2 "La Vertes", of which I expect easily reachable keenness and excellent finish.
There's a "La Grosse Blanche", pictured in its oxidezed (brown) state. I'm very eager to find out if it will show the advanced features I found on n°15, the first "big white" in the Vault.
There"s another "La Grosse Blanche', with a particularly hard part in the surface, that can be recognized by gray specks. These hones have always been kept separate for the sharpening of injection needles. They are possibly the fastest Coticule on water available. Test will reveal.
We have Maurice's Coticule (not for sale), one of the first hones he extracted from the Regné mine, several years ago. It's a hard "La Dressante". I've seen him sharpening a knife on it, using only water. I was surprised how quickly the water blackened. Maurice asked me to check it out with my tests.
We have some "La Veinettes" that will most likely perform like all hones from that very consistent layer at Ol' Preu.
They're just to good to not bring them home. Plus I absolutely love the polka dots.
There's a "La Nouvelle Veine" and a "Les Latneuses", that both call for further testing of these layers, especially interesting for razor use.
Enjoy the pictures,
Bart.
This time I moistened the hones, this emphasizes the shades and patterns.
There are a few curious cases. We have the speckled one, that feels completely smooth to the touch, which may come as a surprise if you look at the picture. The next one is the same type, but glued to the speckled side. Who purchases on of these gets an entirely new Coticule a few decades further down the hone. Isn't it amazing?
We have 2 "La Vertes", of which I expect easily reachable keenness and excellent finish.
There's a "La Grosse Blanche", pictured in its oxidezed (brown) state. I'm very eager to find out if it will show the advanced features I found on n°15, the first "big white" in the Vault.
There"s another "La Grosse Blanche', with a particularly hard part in the surface, that can be recognized by gray specks. These hones have always been kept separate for the sharpening of injection needles. They are possibly the fastest Coticule on water available. Test will reveal.
We have Maurice's Coticule (not for sale), one of the first hones he extracted from the Regné mine, several years ago. It's a hard "La Dressante". I've seen him sharpening a knife on it, using only water. I was surprised how quickly the water blackened. Maurice asked me to check it out with my tests.
We have some "La Veinettes" that will most likely perform like all hones from that very consistent layer at Ol' Preu.
They're just to good to not bring them home. Plus I absolutely love the polka dots.
There's a "La Nouvelle Veine" and a "Les Latneuses", that both call for further testing of these layers, especially interesting for razor use.
Enjoy the pictures,
Bart.
Bart
Well-Known Member
justin said:
I'm not sure. The main goal is to "map" the layers Ardennes has access to, for the methods used nowadays.
Some layers are consistent enough to predict the Coticule behavior with reasonable accuracy.
Other layers seem to divide in a number of subtypes and will require more testing.
As long as the demand is there, we'll try to offer some type of Coticule assessment.
Bart.
Bart
Well-Known Member
Gentlemen,
I 'm not going to take reservations on hones that are not tested.
If you want a hone of a particular layer, you can contact Ardennes and ask them if they have one. In the US, you can also contact our member Zib, who sells Coticules. He might have one of the desired layer in stock.
The hones in the Vault are in the first place present because I find it important to map Coticules and their different layers. A second goal is to offer some kind of assessment service to our little Coticule community here. A lot of time goes into these assessments, and it's my reward to know that they are purchased by people who hold a special interest into the peculiarities of the Coticule they're going to purchase. For that reason, I humbly ask that my test results are carefully considered before making a reservation.
Please Ivan, don't take this post personal. You've asked it, and I will write your name in pencil onto the side of n°33, without actually reserving it. Once I publish the results, It'll serve as a reminder that you had "a vague interest" . I'm only doing this to prevent that you take this post personal. I won't do it for anyone else.:sneaky:
I hope you all understand,
Kind regards,
Bart.
I 'm not going to take reservations on hones that are not tested.
If you want a hone of a particular layer, you can contact Ardennes and ask them if they have one. In the US, you can also contact our member Zib, who sells Coticules. He might have one of the desired layer in stock.
The hones in the Vault are in the first place present because I find it important to map Coticules and their different layers. A second goal is to offer some kind of assessment service to our little Coticule community here. A lot of time goes into these assessments, and it's my reward to know that they are purchased by people who hold a special interest into the peculiarities of the Coticule they're going to purchase. For that reason, I humbly ask that my test results are carefully considered before making a reservation.
Please Ivan, don't take this post personal. You've asked it, and I will write your name in pencil onto the side of n°33, without actually reserving it. Once I publish the results, It'll serve as a reminder that you had "a vague interest"
. I'm only doing this to prevent that you take this post personal. I won't do it for anyone else.:sneaky: I hope you all understand,
Kind regards,
Bart.
justin
Well-Known Member
Bart, I think that while we know the purpose of this project, it is easy to lose site of it since you are offering a unique service. That is: unique individual Coticules, assessments of their capabilities, and of course pictures of each stone.
Before I found this site I didn't think there was anything besides the stereotypical perfectly yellow, rectangular Coticule (all unique, but generally look the same). When you go looking for one they're usually listed: 6"x2" Select Grade Belgian Yellow Coticule, along with a really generic photo. What layer is it? What are it's capabilities? Does it have a beautiful trail of giraffe-like mangane (or whatever)spots running across it? or a beautiful pink hue up in the corner?
The fact that they are out there in the open really helps. When I was looking for a Coticule I had no idea what I was looking for. It's one of those things that you don't know until you see it. When I saw that n7 I knew it was the one. That's my superficial view on Coticules.
: It isn't just a tool for me, it's more than that.
Onward with the testing!
Justin
Before I found this site I didn't think there was anything besides the stereotypical perfectly yellow, rectangular Coticule (all unique, but generally look the same). When you go looking for one they're usually listed: 6"x2" Select Grade Belgian Yellow Coticule, along with a really generic photo. What layer is it? What are it's capabilities? Does it have a beautiful trail of giraffe-like mangane (or whatever)spots running across it? or a beautiful pink hue up in the corner?
The fact that they are out there in the open really helps. When I was looking for a Coticule I had no idea what I was looking for. It's one of those things that you don't know until you see it. When I saw that n7 I knew it was the one. That's my superficial view on Coticules.
: It isn't just a tool for me, it's more than that.Onward with the testing!
Justin