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Ti honing

Jean-françois,

Have you tried to shave with it? It may just take more strokes on water only (same amount of tape that you finished with).

Your best solution may be to attempt a dilucot edge with 1 layer of tape only, and then just add another layer of tape and do the taped portion of the unicot. That will almost surely work.

If you'd like, I would be happy to hone it for you and give you precise instructions of what I did to get that particular razor ready (I'd even use your stone if you were so inclined to send it).

To be perfectly honest, it's really hard to give precise instructions on what to do because we can't evaluate the edges ourselves.

Best of luck!
 
I tried to go back with two layers of tape and water only but still nothing. I also tried the dilucot method followed by Bart's recommendation of 20 light strokes with light slurry and water. The razor will sort of shave hair, but it won't pass the HHT at all. From my experience, I will never shave with a razor that does not pass the HHT test. I've done so before and the results were always very rough and unpleasant on my skin.
 
i don't normaly do unicot. but last night i did unicot on my dovo best. bevel set then i added one layer of tape and made a milky a than normal slurry and i did 30 slow perfect strokes making sure the slurry ran all the way up my cutting edge. i then did 50 on water in the smae way slow and just watched nothing else but the water running up my edge. i shaved three customers today with that blade not my self. the shaves were as good and i hate to admit this but better than dilucot that i had got of this same blade last week. i thought to my self surley its the most easiest method i ever come across with just one hone and it realy does work with out wasting energy and time. the only rerason it would not work for some one in my opinion is this. if your stroke is not perfect than the edge won't be . you need a good stroke and the rest should fall in to place. i find the hht of unicot of the hone is unreal. there was some one who actauly said it does'nt work, it does work that is for sure. so if i was you i would start again and take your time. and just make sure the bevel is set which i'm sure it is. use black marker trick just to make sure the whole cutting edge is making contact. then when you do unicot stage use real milky slurry i did , then water to finish . do slow strokes and make sure every one counts by watching the wave, it will work. even keep yourindex finger light ly on the heal to keep blade real flat and even, that way you no you have a perfect stroke.

hope this helps i'm sure it will.

gary

:)
 
Thanks Gary,

I consider my stroke to be pretty good and steady. Although I've only started re-contributing to this forum in the past few weeks, I've honed razors with many stones (nortons, DMT, coticules, BBW, barber). I know now the stone is capable of giving a nice smooth edge. The other razor I tried on it, a 6/8 full hollow sheffield steel razor responded extremely well to the unicot method and left me with an awesome edge, passing the HHT test with breeze. I think I will try once again with the unicot method with one layer during bevel setting and one extra during the duluting period. If that does not work I might try to add 2 layers for a total of three..Do you guys think that could solve it?


thanks!


JF
 
Jean-françois, if the razor barely shaves arm hair I would suggest that the bevel is not set correctly, once this is done you should find that at every stage of a dilocut the razor will still shave arm hair very well, it wont ever drop back, so I am guessing thats the problem, either that or your honing stroke is off enough to damage the edge?

I hope however you go it serves you very well, keep up the good work Mon Ami :thumbup:

Meanwhile.....I dont want to start a Unicot thread with this but....

I am honestly sat here with a vintage Solingen that I have never been able to get a fantastic edge off, it shaves well dont get me wrong, but I know a top notch Coticule edge returns an unreal shave, so not even having seen Gary's post I am sat here just flicking through the posts.
In front of me is the vintage razor, and my Coticule, water bowl, test hair etc. The one extra item is a roll of tape, all ready to perform a unicot hone.....you must have read my mind....lol

Best Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
 
i don't think so . once the bevel is set than carry on with some mor laps on thinner slurry just to up keenes. then add layer of tape and just do normal unicot. i must admit i found my ti's much more harder to hone back a only a thew months ago. it realy frustarted me . and then i cracked it some how. i also have razors that for some reason and one being a shefield that hone up with my eyes closed. if every razor was that simple it would be great.my henkels is a doddle my puma inox just would not pas hht and shave was terible it took me two to three weeks to work it out.

gary
 
Lol Nice! I think the bevel is set when I move on to the next step of adding an extra layer of tape. Usually I dull the razor on a glass so that it doesn't shave hair anymore and then I raise a nice slurry go to town until it shaves arm hair all along the edge. Then I add a bit of water and do about 30 x strokes with very little pressure. After that I add the second layer of tape and raise a light slurry for roughly 30 x strokes too. I rinse the stone and razor and then 60 x-strokes with water only with the last 20 with some shaving lather to add the extra lightness. Strop then proceed with the HHT test.
 
tat2Ralfy said:
Jean-françois, if the razor barely shaves arm hair I would suggest that the bevel is not set correctly, once this is done you should find that at every stage of a dilocut the razor will still shave arm hair very well, it wont ever drop back, so I am guessing thats the problem, either that or your honing stroke is off enough to damage the edge?

I hope however you go it serves you very well, keep up the good work Mon Ami :thumbup:

Meanwhile.....I dont want to start a Unicot thread with this but....

I am honestly sat here with a vintage Solingen that I have never been able to get a fantastic edge off, it shaves well dont get me wrong, but I know a top notch Coticule edge returns an unreal shave, so not even having seen Gary's post I am sat here just flicking through the posts.
In front of me is the vintage razor, and my Coticule, water bowl, test hair etc. The one extra item is a roll of tape, all ready to perform a unicot hone.....you must have read my mind....lol

Best Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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as you no i'm not a great fan of the tape. But seriously today the same lads that i shaved of the dilucot edge said the unicot edge was much better. i could even feel the differance. when i shave my self i can tighten my lip up and chin etc, this make s the razor shave easily. Now the differance when shaving a customer . You don't make them yaun to tighten up skin, so to lift the nose and shave a relaxed top lip the razor has to be unreal shaver. also to shave atg under the lip which is the only way you can do it the razor has to be good to shave up the grain on 3 days growth. the unicot edge tackled this so easy.

gary
 
garyhaywood said:
tat2Ralfy said:
Jean-françois, if the razor barely shaves arm hair I would suggest that the bevel is not set correctly, once this is done you should find that at every stage of a dilocut the razor will still shave arm hair very well, it wont ever drop back, so I am guessing thats the problem, either that or your honing stroke is off enough to damage the edge?

I hope however you go it serves you very well, keep up the good work Mon Ami :thumbup:

Meanwhile.....I dont want to start a Unicot thread with this but....

I am honestly sat here with a vintage Solingen that I have never been able to get a fantastic edge off, it shaves well dont get me wrong, but I know a top notch Coticule edge returns an unreal shave, so not even having seen Gary's post I am sat here just flicking through the posts.
In front of me is the vintage razor, and my Coticule, water bowl, test hair etc. The one extra item is a roll of tape, all ready to perform a unicot hone.....you must have read my mind....lol

Best Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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as you no i'm not a great fan of the tape. But seriously today the same lads that i shaved of the dilucot edge said the unicot edge was much better. i could even feel the differance. when i shave my self i can tighten my lip up and chin etc, this make s the razor shave easily. Now the differance when shaving a customer . You don't make them yaun to tighten up skin, so to lift the nose and shave a relaxed top lip the razor has to be unreal shaver. also to shave atg under the lip which is the only way you can do it the razor has to be good to shave up the grain on 3 days growth. the unicot edge tackled this so easy.

gary
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not that dilucot carn't,but it just proves unicot works and works easily . very good method thanxs to bart and his research.
 
so you set the bevel with out tape. then you dull edge. thenyou add layer of tape and set bevel again. then you add layer of extra tape ,two in total ,then you do unicot. this will work. but why not just set bevel with one layer of tape then procede to unicot with second piece of tape.unless i read it wrong, but that is what you are doing?
 
I dull out the razor, then add one layer of tape, set the bevel, then add another and try the diluted method with water only (unicot)
 
JF,

You have the procedure understood well, you've done it successfully several times before. I'm really out of ideas what could be wrong. I have honed dozens of Thiers Issards with exactly that procedure and they all returned excellent edges, without any additional hassle.

Concerning Dilucot vs Unicot: my best Dilucot edges are as good as any Unicot edge, but don't think I ever got a Unicot edge that was less comfortable or shaved not as good as the best Dilucot edge. I've never had a Unicot that didn't pass the HHT right off the hone. I probably wouldn't bother with a test shave either. If it doesn't pass, something if definitely wrong. As Gary said, it could be the bevel, but if you predulled and worked till you could shave arm hair again, their is no doubt about the bevel. Let's presume the razor is fine (you have shaved with it before). I reckon that you don't lift the spine of the hone while turning the razor and that the Coticule has nicely chamfered edges?

Kind regards,
Bart.
 
Grrrr!! Tried again tonight and still nothing! This time I decided to shave with it to see how it would performed. I didn't get a horrible shave, but it wasn't my finest either. I even tried adding two layers of tape for a total of three to see how that would work out. The HHT seemed a bit better with three layers but not much. I also tried more passes, less passes..... I really don't know what the problem is! It's such a beautiful razor and it's really frustrating not being able to use it!! The razor will cut arm hair without any problems but the darn HHT test is not happening at all as it does with my other razor!
 
Are you doing really light strokes when finishing?

Also, I know you are capable of getting a razor to perform, but my offer still stands if you ever get tired of it. :)
 
Thanks man! I will try my hands at this one a bit more. I feel like I'm pretty close and that I'm only really losing the edge once I add the second layer of tape. Maybe I'm not too many or not enough passes or my slurry is too thin or too thick...
 
Well 10 hours after my shave with the TI and I'm feeling the burn...Bad move! Hehe I knew that by failing the HHT test it would most likely lead to a pretty rough shave!
 
It's a 7/8 Full Hollow "Le Canadien" from scott over at rasagepoulin.com

the bevel is not very wide. I will take pictures later today.
 
ah its a big blade. i have a la grelot that is still new . i no they can feel a little harsher than normal steels , when i first shaved with my ti silver wing from invisable edge it was sharp but not mega smooth. i rehoned it with the old dilucot method so it wa a while ago. i was getting a shave but a little rough . i honed and tryed so many times still the same. Then i hit my canvas with ti rasoir paste and boy i could not beleive the differance. the shave was smooth as it gets and sharp . I still some weeks later tryeed dilucot on this razor as it buged me. i used my narrow la grosse jaune. Seriously i could not beleive how smooth it was. i emailed bart and told him about the result , then was when i first realized how good the coticule edges were.

All i no is it will work. are you sure when you add second layer of tape and do your unicot propcedure the cutting edge is making contact. the times i have thought my edge was. Only when i placed black marker along the edge to reveal i was'nt making good contact. why don't you try black marker at last stages of unicot. i have found when using tape on my big 7/8 livis that the edge does'nt get down as well as you think. probably due to the tape and size of your razor . i found that the tape on my livi did infact lift my bevel a little as i moved the razor up and down. when using back and forth strokes it kept the bevel down better because of my index finger being on the razor and the extra pressure. its worth checking. to me it seems like bevel is et . but nothings happening after the second layer of tape is on and your normal light x's begin.

gary
 
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