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Trying a shapton 30k

BeBerlin said:
Why is it, you think, that certain Coticule layers are now being sought specifically? It is the same mechanism as hoarding hones in the hope that one of them will turn you into a honing professional, only applied to Coticules.
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Not necessarily true. There are discernible differences, if not, we wouldn't be describing the different characteristics of each strata. I like the specific strata I do because of various reasons, but none of which has to do with hoarding or becoming a honing professional :)
 
I'm following :)

I'd also be happy to hone a razor up in the spirit of the pursuit of knowledge and experience. (Paul, I would love to do an exchange with you - 30K to 30K B) I have no idea what other people's 30K is like.)

My love for Shaptons pre-dates using them to hone razors, and for me it was only natural to use them first, and to continue to use them since. I suppose that's why I am used to and prefer their edges. FWIW, I find Chromium Oxide too smooth. :p

For me, I am on my own sharpening/honing journey. It's all about learning. I offer services because I want to improve my skills and I just love doing it. Using the different hones gives me more insight to the different edges they produce, and the different methods needed in order to maximize a stone's potential. I can then use this knowledge to cross pollinate sharpening ideas from one area to another.

But what makes me wonder is people's definition of "buttery smooth" and "velvet squeegee" compared to my own definitions of the terms. This is obviously a hugely gray area, and when people I highly respect like Ralfy and Jens have what seems like two opposing ends of the spectrum in terms of what levels of refinement they prefer, I get even more confused as to my own standing... :confused:

What I do know is that I like a more refined edge, and since I use Olivia's soaps and lotions, which have no alcohol, I never have a burn or irritation :lol:
 
Hi Tom. I think at the end of the day it all comes down to personal preference, by it's very nature that makes it a very subjective thing, I just happen to prefer a Coticule edge on my razors, and even then it has to be spot on, I would never dream of saying that makes them the best edges there is, because everyone likes something a little different than everyone else, people who have experimented with different hones, and like me prefer a Coticule edge, like the my edges when I hone for them, others may prefer a Shapton edge, and then I expect they would be very happy with your skills ( I know every razor that I have tried that was honed by you was honed very well indeed)

I would love to send you a higher quality razor than the ones you and I play with, and have you hone it for me, so that I may use it for a period of time and truly asses how my face likes it, and there is a big difference between evaluating the honers skills and evaluating how ones skin reacts to a certain edge, I am sure you agree, maybe I could send you one of my favourite shavers so you can do the same with a Coticule edge? Even though I know you have that iron man stubble lol, I believe we may both be surprised.

Also I think it would be great for you and Paul to trade too, you both know what you are doing and have a wealth of experience, I for one would be very interested to see how you find each others edges.

I will message you at Shave ready my friend
Best wishes
Ralfson (Dr)
 
Tom,thank you very much for your post.Sorry for my insistence to the coticules. but you know i am a traditional man.Really i found the shapton edge very buffy for me .But as you with shapton ,i started thirty-five years ago with coticules as heritage of my family and my knowledge these concern.But now we can understand the mentality regarding the smoothness as i comprehend, if you use crox to normalize a shapton edge ,me doing the same after coticule the edge looses the smoothness.
Thanks
Emmanuel
 
Emmanuel,

No worries - really. No one is going to steer me from my love of Shaptons anytime soon. :lol:

I enjoy the fact that we are all able to engage in objective and productive dialogues about what we like and dislike. I found some good little treasures of information in this thread related to more than just the 30K or not argument. The foil edge vs. the over honed edge, for example. :thumbup:

Ralfy,

there is a big difference between evaluating the honers skills and evaluating how ones skin reacts to a certain edge,
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Agreed, my good friend! But there is a gray area again - the more I learn, the more my edges off the same hones improve.

BTW, I'm finding the latest shaves of our exchange razor (had 3 so far, and one more tonight before it goes out tomorrow) to be a new high for smoothness and sharpness. I'll spill the beans on what I did after you try it.
 
jendeindustries said:
BTW, I'm finding the latest shaves of our exchange razor (had 3 so far, and one more tonight before it goes out tomorrow) to be a new high for smoothness and sharpness. I'll spill the beans on what I did after you try it.
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This is pretty cool. So you guys are... pen pals? Razor pals? What do I call you?
 
danjared said:
jendeindustries said:
BTW, I'm finding the latest shaves of our exchange razor (had 3 so far, and one more tonight before it goes out tomorrow) to be a new high for smoothness and sharpness. I'll spill the beans on what I did after you try it.
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This is pretty cool. So you guys are... pen pals? Razor pals? What do I call you?
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We prefer to call our selfs "Grown men who makes a serious effort to review edges & razors on an objective basis"
However, we are no different then 11 yo girls that exchange letters about horses & boybands.
Basically the only thing that is different is that we exchange straight razors instead of candy-scented erasers...
 
tat2Ralfy said:
You mean I wont be getting any more Erasers? :cry:

And who are you calling a grown up! hahahaha:p
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No, no dear Doctor, I wouldn't insult you by calling you a grown-up. I meant Tom :p

And you'll get your eraser, infact I'll trade them for a nice half-sleeve.

So, if I send you some Hell(o) Kitty erasers & my left arm, would you be so kind to return my arm when the tattoo is ready? I'll pay for shipping of course :w00t:
 
I did a Henckel Hollow ground up (mostly) on the glass stones - DMT fine, Chosera 1K, Glass 2K, 4K Gray, 6K Gray, 10K, 30K.

One thing is for sure, the glass stones work faster than the Pros (but we knew that). Since I jumped from 10K to 30K, there was a little more wiggle room for the 30K to work in. I did 10 strokes and looked under the scope, and the edge was still good. After another 10, the edge had "degraded" as we spoke of earlier in this thread. Then another 10 or 15, and the "true" 30K edge was established. I then went to the .125 micron CBN on balsa and did about 15 strokes. I checked every 5 strokes under the scope. I could see the bevels coming together and lining up as I progressed.

There was a slight foil effect on the bevel, but within reason and it sprung right back, so the geometry was good, IMO. It may be better with a layer of tape, but the test shave was wonderful (for me).
 
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