"Wetshaving World" forum is gone

[Phlier]

Btw...

When I read words like bravery, courage, honourable, etc.
I think of things like this
http://badassoftheweek.com/shrestha.html
Where a Gurkha takes on 40 train robbers when they get ready to gang rape a young girl on the train that was being robbed. With his Kukri knife he killed 3, wounded 8 more, and scared the rest into a run for their lives.

A shaving nerd posting something from behind a computer screen on a shaving forum that other shaving nerds might object to -while involving sharp objects- does not quite compare in the honor and courage department. No offense to the shaving nerds of course.

Such an accurate comparison!

Downplaying the importance of online behavior among shaving nerds to taking on 20 train robbers...wow. Regardless, if I ever find myself on a middle eastern train, and such events transpire, those robbers will feel the wrath of my vintage Boker. They will find themselves totally BBS at the next train stop.

Your post speaks volumes, Bruno.

 

[danjared]

I never visited it but that was Robert Williams' site, right?
In which case this is the 2nd time that happened.
The first time it was in 2007 IIRC.

Btw I note that Ralf is not banned at SRP.
He was for 4 days, for some reason. From the 1st to the 5th it seems.

Interesting, so are you saying that there's no accountability or that you are not stating the reason out of courtesy?

 

[Bruno]

Ah yes... well it seems that SRP has no monopoly on people acting aloof.
My apologies for arguing with a wink that words like courage and bravery are perhaps a bit over the top to describe posting on an internet forum. We should all pretend that this (our hobby) is really important and life threatening and take ourselves really seriously. IIRC that is one of the things we often get accused of as well.

As for not giving a reason, I actually didn't know.
I wasn't around much the last week or 2, and I just checked what had happened to his account, since it wasn't banned when I looked. That is when I noticed it had been banned for 4 days.

If I had to guess I'd say it had something to do with a discussion about BBW, though I am not sure. I recall that it started derailing at some point hen people were bringing up the disagreements beteen Bart and Lynn again. It would fit the timeframe if it happened around then.

 

[tat2Ralfy]

I just had a look in the admincp, and it says the ban was manually reversed on the 5th.

Mmm did it say why Lynn did that?

Also I note that you seem unclear as to who owned the site? Are you saying that there is no communication between yourself, Lynn, Glenn, and Jimmy? They most certainly knew who's site it was, being as how two of them held mod status there for a time.

And as unlikely as I believe it is that we will get a clear answer from you, whilst you are here I must ask, why srp has recently changed it's policy on signature lines? It is no longer acceptable to include a link in ones signature line to another shave related forum, unless of course you are one of the Spanish members, who seem unaffected by this. A good friend of mine was recently warned for linking to WSW before it's demise, how ironic given the message that now greets it's defunked membership, and I had mine removed for me, the same time Lynn banned me from srp, how predictable.

Regards
Ralfson

 

[Bruno]

Nope. Doesn't say. I assume he thought he'd overreacted.

And I honestly was not in the loop about WSW. I don't know who owned it. If it was not Robert then I was mistaken. Robert had a forum until early 2007 when he said it took too much time to manage and it was sort of redirected to SRP with some content been added to SRP. Because of that I thought it as weird that he'd started it again, only to fold it later.

It may come as a shock, but what the SRP mods do outside of SRP is their business. They don't have to inform me either. I know several are members and / or mods on various other shaving sites such as B&B, shaveready, etc. I really don't care. I also don't take much note of who goes where. As long as it doesn't create problems on SRP, it's cool.

As for not being allowed to put links to other shaving sites, I was aware of that.
You may of course diagree, but this was not specific to cbe or wsw, and if some spanish forum remained unnoticed, then I assume it was just that: unnoticed.

 

[DJKELLY]

There are all types of courage. I don't know all the players in this thread, Bruno, but I do know Ralson pretty well. His actions displayed integrity and loyalty and could have cost him quite a bit. If that is not courage, it still works for me.

 

[tat2Ralfy]

I would assume the same, being as how my ban came 15 minutes after I banned him for a week on WSW, absolutely nothing to do with any BBW discussion on either board, I would not post on the srp one, and the only disparaging remarks in the thread on WSW came from Lynn, and Glenn.

Just for the record there are no srp mods in the mod team at ShaveReady, and I would know.

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)

 

[Bruno]

Ok not to disparage Ralf or anyone else, but posting on an internet forum is unlikely to cost anyone anything that matters in the real world. Sure, people can get banned or not, or receive an angry PM or whatever, but if we -for the sake of the argument- discard membership of a forum that is not well thought of in the first place by him, then how does the risk of being banned from said place demand courage?

Of course I think that people should be honest and upstanding, and doing so is commendable.

 

[RicTic]

Just for the record there are no srp mods in the mod team at ShaveReady, and I would know.

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)

This is reassuring to know given that I only made my intro on ShaveReady just last night.
It's nice to know I can post without having the overwhelming vibe that I won't be walking on eggshells.
This is not a criticism of SRP, just a personal observation. It's a great pity.

 

[Bruno]

I would assume the same, being as how my ban came 15 minutes after I banned him for a week on WSW

Just for the record there are no srp mods in the mod team at ShaveReady, and I would know.

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)

Mods, no. Members yes (that was the 'and / or' in my post)
At one point we had mods modding both at B&B and SRP.
And Jimbo was a mod at SRP and another forum for which the name eludes me atm. It as primarily focused on soaps but also had razor forums.
And before that is was on Robert Williams' original forum.
And apparently it was true for WSW.

It is also the other way waround, with mods of some of these forums also modding in other of these forums.

 

[Bruno]

I would assume the same, being as how my ban came 15 minutes after I banned him for a week on WSW, absolutely nothing to do with any BBW discussion on either board, I would not post on the srp one, and the only disparaging remarks in the thread on WSW came from Lynn, and Glenn.

Oh was that you? I recall Lynn mentioning he was banned but I didn't know by whom.
In that case I guess he banned you in response. Joel and he did the same thing way back.

If I may ask: why exactly did you ban Lynn (assume for a moment that I have no clue, which would be accurate?)

 

[tat2Ralfy]

Ok not to disparage Ralf or anyone else, but posting on an internet forum is unlikely to cost anyone anything that matters in the real world.

Unless you happen to post about a way of honing razors that threatens the livelihood of the vendorators, they do tend to react as if threatened in that case.
But to me and everyone else who doesn't feel threatened by offering people choices, and options that may affect how much we earn, you are of course quite right Bruno

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)

 

[Bruno]

Ok not to disparage Ralf or anyone else, but posting on an internet forum is unlikely to cost anyone anything that matters in the real world.

Unless you happen to post about a way of honing razors that threatens the livelihood of the vendorators, they do tend to react as if threatened in that case.
But to me and everyone else who doesn't feel threatened by offering people choices, and options that may affect how much we earn, you are of course quite right Bruno

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)

Both Lynn and Glen have written about 1 stone honing, and posted about it in the main forums. How is what you guys do different, and why would it impact their bottom line.

Btw since you reply came in just after mine you might have missed my edit so I post it here again: If I may ask: why exactly did you ban Lynn (assume for a moment that I have no clue, which would be accurate?)

 

[DJKELLY]

Ok not to disparage Ralf or anyone else, but posting on an internet forum is unlikely to cost anyone anything that matters in the real world. Sure, people can get banned or not, or receive an angry PM or whatever, but if we -for the sake of the argument- discard membership of a forum that is not well thought of in the first place by him, then how does the risk of being banned from said place demand courage?

Of course I think that people should be honest and upstanding, and doing so is commendable.

Incredible. I can think of several ways real world consequences would apply.

Whenever you put a "but" as in your sentence, it completely negates the first part of that sentence. You won't get much sympathy here. Ralfy didn't start this thread and has never in my experience been less than a total gentleman. His contributions to this site and several others are far beyond those of anyone else I can recall and his willingness to help others is total. Popping over here to give us your opinions is not helpful.

I'll pass the baton now. Dennis

 

[Guest]

Btw since you reply came in just after mine you might have missed my edit so I post it here again: If I may ask: why exactly did you ban Lynn (assume for a moment that I have no clue, which would be accurate?)

Bruno, you're a star. Since your peers were so keen on insinuating that this site somehow benefits from the report in question, may I ask how much you are getting paid for your intervention here? And may I also gently inquire why you would not discuss reasons from bans from SRP, but try to coax the people here into divulging theirs?

 

[jfdupuis]

I got banned from SRP and I still don't know why. Just happened one day after being a member there for more than two years.

 

[Bruno]

Btw since you reply came in just after mine you might have missed my edit so I post it here again: If I may ask: why exactly did you ban Lynn (assume for a moment that I have no clue, which would be accurate?)

Bruno, you're a star. Since your peers were so keen on insinuating that this site somehow benefits from the report in question, may I ask how much you are getting paid for your intervention here? And may I also gently inquire why you would not discuss reasons from bans from SRP, but try to coax the people here into divulging theirs?

What my peers insinuate is their business if it happenes outside of SRP.
I also hope you know better than thinking I would be paid anything for anything I do online, in any way, shape or form.

As for why I ask, that is simple. From hat I read so far, I have the impression that Lynn was his usual self and not too diplomatic in something he posted in public. From there I have a couple of observations.

First, I often get lambasted because of not talking about bans in public by several members here. I guess it is only fair to turn the tables.

Secondly and more importantly, I'll assume that Lynn was rude or whatever. Sometime ago we had a CBE member being really rude and provocative in a honing discussion. His final post he mentioned that he didn't see anything wrong ith posting like that, and that we were free to delete his account if we didn't see it like that, which I did.

Only then I get a PM by Ralf, telling me in a nice way that what I did was ungentlemanly because said member told him that he was banned totally unprovoked. Even when I explained that that asn't the case, he didn't really believe me and still thought that those reasons did not suffice. I still have the PM btw, as well as the deleted posts, just in case my word is not good enough. He almost yet not quite called me a liar, but in the most gentlemanly terms of course, saying he only had his word for it, but he trusted said person and considered him a respectable gentleman.

Seems like this situation is almost exactly the same, except with the names reversed.
We have someone being rude and banned. Only when Ralf does it he is almost called a hero, and if I do it I get called rude, my honesty is called in question, and of course I am not being a gentleman.

EDIT: The letter 'w' seems to be misfunctioning on my keyboard. If there are 'w's missing, that would be the reason, just in case anyone is wondering.

 

[Guest]

First, I often get lambasted because of not talking about bans in public by several members here. I guess it is only fair to turn the tables.

Two wrongs do not always make a right

Secondly and more importantly, I'll assume that Lynn was rude or whatever.

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[BlacknTan]

I too got banned from SRP.
I had the abject audacity to disagree with the all knowing, omnipotent Glen when he was posting information that was obviously wrong. Contrary to Glen's signature, "Always Very Respectfully," which couldn't be further from the truth, my answer in that thread was respectful and courteous, in spite of Glen talking down to, and bullying other members of the forum.
Glen responded, in the way I've become used to him acting. Oh, I could have stayed on at SRP if I bowed down to kiss Glen's a... err feet. I had no intention of that, and told him so. I knew what he wanted to do, and why. I told him is was within his power to delete my account, and if that was his choice, to go ahead and do so. He did, and that's OK... Life goes on, and there are much more important things to worry about.
As to why??? I can only surmise... I had recently bought my first coticule after using the Naniwa SuperStones. Of course I read how "totally awesome" they were on SRP... "TOTALLY!" So, I took a good slug of the Kool-Aid and bought them from... You guessed it SRD. The price was fair, service good.. no complaints. But when I bought the coticule, everything changed... Guilt by association perhaps?? In any case, after enduring the typical "fanboy" insults from Lynn on WSW, and now what I've read and learned other places, it all becomes quite clear!
When I first joined SRP, I assumed it was a place for an honest and open exchange of information concerningb the seemingly innocent subject of shaving.. We all know what happens when we ASS-U-ME. Well, I learned a valuable lesson... One I knew before, but it bore re-learning. When money and business co-mingle with the world of hobbies and recreation, all the joy soon leaves.

Knowing what I know now, I'm ecstatic not to be a member of SRP any longer, and for whomever owns SRP, or has a hand on the helm, they should be very thankful that coticule.be is different, or they would have been banned a loooong time ago.

It seems a badge of honor to be banned from SRP... All the good people are doing it.

P.S.
I applaud Ralfy decision to ban Lynn, and support it wholheartedly. He should have done the same to Glen, but he shows too mkuch tolerance and class! I referred to them as Dr. Evil (Lynn) and Mini-Me (Glen), because the only time they ever showed up on WSW was as a tag team, designed to create mayhem.
That said, I wish the two big fish all the best in their small pond...

 

[Bruno]

First, I often get lambasted because of not talking about bans in public by several members here. I guess it is only fair to turn the tables.

Two wrongs do not always make a right

You are right of course. It's just that I get really tired of being judged by a different standard than CBE staff.

Seems like this situation is almost exactly the same, except with the names reversed.
We have someone being rude and banned. Only when Ralf does it he is almost called a hero, and if I do it I get called rude, my honesty is called in question, and of course I am not being a gentleman.

I always try not to let it get to me, but I do think it is unfair that people judge me badly for actions that e.g. Ralf does almost in an identical way, yet that is somehow 'totally different' and praiseworthy.