life2short1971
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Bart
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I don't really mind about this thread.
Yes, it's boring for those who aren't involved. Recently, we declared the 3 main sections of Coticule.be to be of "technical" nature, which means that discussion must remain strictly on technical topics. But the "Miscellaneous Stuff" section does no fall under that declaration.
Nonetheless, there is the general rule that this board must not be used to settle personal scores. I believe a thin line has been walked today, but the discussion remained on the right side of civilization, by my judgment.
I understand this thread may annoying to read if you are not affected by any of the discussed events.. It may appear as childish. It has that same effect on me.
But I am banned on SRP as well and I know it took me a long time to overcome. I made well over a 1000 posts over there and they were as longwinded as the one's I make here, so you can all imagine how much time I invested over there:scared: . I cooperated with the Wiki, I regularly checked the newbie forum to see if I could offer assistance. I felt part of a community and I took pride in helping that community move forward. I had online friends over there. Sure, there is a difference with friends that visit each other at home, but still there is emotional investment in Internet friendship. The sense of acceptance and belonging is very similar to what humans feel when they are part of any non-internet organisation.
Human interaction can and will never exist without the occasional conflict, and when people are expelled from a group (for good reasons or bad ones) they will be emotionally affected by it. No one likes to be cast out. It took me a year to get SRP out of my system and genuinely stopped caring about the reasons for being persona non grata over there.
The case of WSW is a bit different. The captain abandoned ship and when the sailors didn't sail the direction he hoped for, he decided to torpedo it. I can see how frustrating that must be.
You may own a domain name, that still doesn't mean you own the community and its people.
I fully acknowledge that it helps to talk these things through. No one can expect that to be an easy conversation, but I think, so far, everyone involved did his best. Some with disarming humor, others with inhibited anger. So be it.
I wish we had a button to make these kind of threads private, so that only those involved could take part in it, upon their request. Maybe we'll have to program such a button, but in its absence, I can only ask those who find this tread disturbing, to stop reading it. There are plenty of interesting topics going on currently, and as said, you are protected from these disputes on the 3 technical forums of Coticule.be.
To all others, please keep it civilized.
Kind regards,
Bart.
Yes, it's boring for those who aren't involved. Recently, we declared the 3 main sections of Coticule.be to be of "technical" nature, which means that discussion must remain strictly on technical topics. But the "Miscellaneous Stuff" section does no fall under that declaration.
Nonetheless, there is the general rule that this board must not be used to settle personal scores. I believe a thin line has been walked today, but the discussion remained on the right side of civilization, by my judgment.
I understand this thread may annoying to read if you are not affected by any of the discussed events.. It may appear as childish. It has that same effect on me.
But I am banned on SRP as well and I know it took me a long time to overcome. I made well over a 1000 posts over there and they were as longwinded as the one's I make here, so you can all imagine how much time I invested over there:scared: . I cooperated with the Wiki, I regularly checked the newbie forum to see if I could offer assistance. I felt part of a community and I took pride in helping that community move forward. I had online friends over there. Sure, there is a difference with friends that visit each other at home, but still there is emotional investment in Internet friendship. The sense of acceptance and belonging is very similar to what humans feel when they are part of any non-internet organisation.
Human interaction can and will never exist without the occasional conflict, and when people are expelled from a group (for good reasons or bad ones) they will be emotionally affected by it. No one likes to be cast out. It took me a year to get SRP out of my system and genuinely stopped caring about the reasons for being persona non grata over there.
The case of WSW is a bit different. The captain abandoned ship and when the sailors didn't sail the direction he hoped for, he decided to torpedo it. I can see how frustrating that must be.
You may own a domain name, that still doesn't mean you own the community and its people.
I fully acknowledge that it helps to talk these things through. No one can expect that to be an easy conversation, but I think, so far, everyone involved did his best. Some with disarming humor, others with inhibited anger. So be it.
I wish we had a button to make these kind of threads private, so that only those involved could take part in it, upon their request. Maybe we'll have to program such a button, but in its absence, I can only ask those who find this tread disturbing, to stop reading it. There are plenty of interesting topics going on currently, and as said, you are protected from these disputes on the 3 technical forums of Coticule.be.
To all others, please keep it civilized.
Kind regards,
Bart.
Smythe
Well-Known Member
The case of WSW is a bit different... after Gurkha killed 3 of the 40 train robbers with his Kukri knife, wounded 8 more and the rest ran for their lives… The scene cuts the boardroom of the company who owns the fleet… and our main antagonist still in pain after being kicked off the train…Bart said:
“Press the button!”
“Are you insane? There are people on that train”
“They must not get away with it! Put your finger on that button, or I'll hack it off and press it myself!
The train now rests in a pile of rubble and a twisted conspiracy that stinks to high haven… the “Train to Wet Saving World” has come to an end.
Any one wants tickets to see the show again?
>>>>>>>>>>
It is indeed sad that grownups can act so childish at times. Imagine if our world leaders acted as such when in possession of weapons that could destroy the planet may times over.
Give a man power....
BlacknTan
Well-Known Member
Bart, as always, make a lot of good points, and articulates his thoughts well.
I was not as heavily invested in SRP, so the sting of my banishment was not as great, and I can now laugh it off. Particularly as I see how many others have suffered the same fate, and for such capricious reasons.
WSW was a bit of a different story, for me at least. I thought it to be a great group of people... We all got along quite well, and it was a pleasant atmosphere. I heard rumblings of the problems taking place behind the scenes, but was unaware the axe would fall so swiftly.. But again... C'est la Vie.
I don't take any further interest in how SRP conducts their business or treats it's membership. I consider it their sandbox, and they make the rules. What I do resent, and find highly distasteful, is the principles cruising other stops on the internet with the sole intent of creating controversy... Turning once pleasant places into a den of vipers, similar to what they preside over. I'm the first one to know that the world is not fair, but this behavior is just plain wrong!
SRP was, and the Wiki still possibly is, a great place to gather information, but with counter opinions stifled, and the members are well aware of this fact, how good is the information presently presented? Knowledge can only move forward with the exchange of ideas, even if they sometimes disagree, and usually advancements made because of the difference of opinion that causes further study.
SRP once carried the mantle as THE place to go for straight razor shaving information. I no longer believe that to be true. Anywhere that information to the masses is stifled is doomed to failure, possibly not in the business sense, but as a fountain of knowledge.
I still have friends at SRP. I spoke to one of the phone for an hour on Sunday. A lot of small talk about shaving, gear, the Super Bowl and life in general. Very little about SRP, because it just seems irrelevant. This gentleman confines himself to a friendly area of SRP, I will not name it lest the goon squad hunt him down for retribution, but he is aware of the dangers of stepping outside to other areas and expressing his opinion. This is quite telling, IMHO.
In closing, while I resent the power base of SRP coming to an open place like coticule.be with the sole intent of destruction, I'm impressed with the openness in which they are allowed to do so, in spite of their less than honorable intentions.
Keeping events in the light of day is very refreshing, even in some of the actors are highly distasteful.
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I was not as heavily invested in SRP, so the sting of my banishment was not as great, and I can now laugh it off. Particularly as I see how many others have suffered the same fate, and for such capricious reasons.
WSW was a bit of a different story, for me at least. I thought it to be a great group of people... We all got along quite well, and it was a pleasant atmosphere. I heard rumblings of the problems taking place behind the scenes, but was unaware the axe would fall so swiftly.. But again... C'est la Vie.
I don't take any further interest in how SRP conducts their business or treats it's membership. I consider it their sandbox, and they make the rules. What I do resent, and find highly distasteful, is the principles cruising other stops on the internet with the sole intent of creating controversy... Turning once pleasant places into a den of vipers, similar to what they preside over. I'm the first one to know that the world is not fair, but this behavior is just plain wrong!
SRP was, and the Wiki still possibly is, a great place to gather information, but with counter opinions stifled, and the members are well aware of this fact, how good is the information presently presented? Knowledge can only move forward with the exchange of ideas, even if they sometimes disagree, and usually advancements made because of the difference of opinion that causes further study.
SRP once carried the mantle as THE place to go for straight razor shaving information. I no longer believe that to be true. Anywhere that information to the masses is stifled is doomed to failure, possibly not in the business sense, but as a fountain of knowledge.
I still have friends at SRP. I spoke to one of the phone for an hour on Sunday. A lot of small talk about shaving, gear, the Super Bowl and life in general. Very little about SRP, because it just seems irrelevant. This gentleman confines himself to a friendly area of SRP, I will not name it lest the goon squad hunt him down for retribution, but he is aware of the dangers of stepping outside to other areas and expressing his opinion. This is quite telling, IMHO.
In closing, while I resent the power base of SRP coming to an open place like coticule.be with the sole intent of destruction, I'm impressed with the openness in which they are allowed to do so, in spite of their less than honorable intentions.
Keeping events in the light of day is very refreshing, even in some of the actors are highly distasteful.
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DJKELLY
Well-Known Member
I know some are grumbling about our guys taking the bait or defending their actions in this thread, but I completely understand it. Many years of contributions to others have been wiped away by ego and greed, not to mention the personal connections that are severed with banning. Anyone that minimizes the friendships that arise on line is missing a big point. This world of cyberspace might be electronic, but it is no less real, with real consequences. The coticule pilgrimage would never had occured without this site. As far as I'm concerned, we did not mount a strong enough defense to an obvious "enemy in the temple". I will concede that the course followed was probably the right one, just not the right one for me.
Bart
Well-Known Member
BlacknTan said:
Bill, that is an unfair statement towards Bruno. If it must be considered courageous of Ralfy to confront Lynn on WSW (though I think Ralfy was just doing his job as a mod on WSW to the best of his abilities), then Bruno at least deserves equal respect for coming here and offering his vision on certain conflicts that originated on SRP. If he wasn't here the first place, I wouldn't even allow this discussion, because accusing a person or an organization in the absence of a represantive is an action we try to avoid on this forum.
Yesterday, you almost went as far as accusing Bruno of altering your posts on SRP, without any evidence he would ever do something like that. I let it pass, then, because in the past threads have been altered at SRP, although not by a direct editing of the banned guy's posts, but by retro-editing the "friendly fire". And I didn't read a direct accusation at Bruno's address in your innuendo. Without reading the full thread with the original content of all posts, it is impossible to get an idea of what went on anyway. Bruno knows that as well as any person.
But that doesn't mean that what you wrote in the part I quoted above, can be tolerated. There is a subtle, yet very important difference between discussing certain forum politics, and launching a character assassination. Bruno is a member here. He deserves the same respect as all of us. And even if he wasn't a member here, only yesterday I referred to our rules for posting on this forum. They are rather short. But long enough to leave no ambiguity concerning personal attacks. You can disagree with a person without questioning his morality.
Please don't do this again.
Best regards,
Bart.
Matt
Well-Known Member
Very good point. Being not personally involved I only read the thread and digest it as it proceeds, but I had similar feelings when I read the mentioned post.
Over the last few days I couldn't help thinking "whoa, there are moments when it looks more and more like an open war". We don't want it, do we?
Matt
Over the last few days I couldn't help thinking "whoa, there are moments when it looks more and more like an open war". We don't want it, do we?
Matt
pinklather
Well-Known Member
tat2Ralfy said:
Dr. Ralphy, it was your magnificent post on WSW that made the coticule an interest. The kind help of the good gents here, allowed me to find your posts were right. There's a good reason I posted earlier, nominating you as the World Coticule Ambassador. No wonder you're a treasure to so many.
