Walbusch / Walter Busch & Sohn

[efsk]

Lovely travelkit @benedetto
Nice to see it with the brochure, which shows pricing in RM, meaning it is from between 1924 and 1948.
Thanks for showing!

 

[benedetto]

Bel kit da viaggio @benedetto
Bello vederlo con la brochure, che mostra i prezzi in RM, il che significa che è tra il 1924 e il 1948.
Grazie per aver mostrato!

In realtà Richard credo sia più recente, infatti la brochure non è del model kit da viaggio arancione mostrato in foto...
Se ci fate caso bene, la chiusura della confezione è diversa (una è arrotondata mentre l'altra è quadrata) e anche il nastro in pelle/cuoio che viene utilizzato per estrarre lo specchio è diverso (uno è doppio e l'altro è stretto).
Credo che il modello marrone scuro possa essere datato tra il 1935 e il 1948 mentre il kit arancione del 1948. @Jake ha anche due versioni diverse come me..
(uno color crema credo risalente agli anni 1955-1958 e l'altro marrone risalente al 1935-1948)

 

[efsk]

But wasn't it so that the baseplate with a solid underside was the earlier generation, and the one with the holes all the way through the newer generation? Wouldn't that suggest that your newest addition is from an earlier timeframe?

 

[benedetto]

But wasn't it so that the baseplate with a solid underside was the earlier generation, and the one with the holes all the way through the newer generation? Wouldn't that suggest that your newest addition is from an earlier timeframe?

Of course Richard, but as a long-time collector you know very well that when you buy a rare set like this you don't have to assume that all the components are from the set, usually the seller composes the pieces of the set themselves in order to raise the selling price of the item. We collectors also compose the sets based on research... Sometimes we find a box without a razor, sometimes just the razor... You will understand that the more objects that make up the set, the more difficult it is to understand if all the pieces of that set are original. unless you buy a NOS.. Only then will you be sure that all the pieces are original from that set. In addition to this consideration, it must be said that the factories in similar sets mixed components from different generations in order to deplete the stock funds. They didn't imagine that much later there would be collectors like us who made a study of razors and their sets. They were salesmen...That said, I think there are two versions of "Walbusch B3": a first generation without holes (cream and dark brown) and a second generation with 2 holes (to keep the hardened shaving foam mixed with cut hairs from accumulating) (cream color only). I think there are re versions of travel sets "Walbusch B3" one brown, one orange and one cream can be distinguished at first glance by the round or square closing plate and the availability of color type. That's what I think based on the research that I've conducted. I'm waiting for the photos of some collector who will show me something I had never seen before (like the silver and cream B5 never seen in any catalog)...
Saluti
Benedetto.

 

[aussietanker]

Of course Richard, but as a long-time collector you know very well that when you buy a rare set like this you don't have to assume that all the components are from the set, usually the seller composes the pieces of the set themselves in order to raise the selling price of the item. We collectors also compose the sets based on research... Sometimes we find a box without a razor, sometimes just the razor... You will understand that the more objects that make up the set, the more difficult it is to understand if all the pieces of that set are original. unless you buy a NOS.. Only then will you be sure that all the pieces are original from that set. In addition to this consideration, it must be said that the factories in similar sets mixed components from different generations in order to deplete the stock funds. They didn't imagine that much later there would be collectors like us who made a study of razors and their sets. They were salesmen...That said, I think there are two versions of "Walbusch B3": a first generation without holes (cream and dark brown) and a second generation with 2 holes (to keep the hardened shaving foam mixed with cut hairs from accumulating) (cream color only). I think there are re versions of travel sets "Walbusch B3" one brown, one orange and one cream can be distinguished at first glance by the round or square closing plate and the availability of color type. That's what I think based on the research that I've conducted. I'm waiting for the photos of some collector who will show me something I had never seen before (like the silver and cream B5 never seen in any catalog)...
Saluti
Benedetto.

It's very beautiful. Congratulations!

 

[alesmv]

En mi opinión creo que el mío es de Catalín, porque tengo uno exactamente igual, un juego completo.


Baquelita crema, posiblemente pollopas,

 

[alesmv]

I believed that this brand's models were manufactured by Emil Hermes' company, the company we currently know as Merkur, and that it also manufactured its same models but with other brands such as: Hoffritz, Pomco, Coles and Lunawerk, to be exported or sold by other commercial chains - as is this case -

The models were adapted by Emil Hermes to the demands of his purchasing client.
But I also have clippers from other models of theirs and I found the patent that is from another manufacturer ( Willian Louis, del 8 nov. 1911 , con el numero de Patente 252014 ) and that they were manufactured in another workshop. Hermes ONLY marketed them

 

[efsk]

Merkur/Hermes produced the razors for Walbusch, Hoffritz, Pomco, Coles, and then some. The B3 and B5 were Walbusch patents, also produced under the Merkur brand. (I've seen, but do not own, Merkur-branded B5). The Hoffritz/Coles/Pomco/etc were variations on Merkurs own razors. Pomco later on started to develop own things, such as the Pomcomatic or Pomco Lady, that were never available as Merkur.

 

[efsk]

But I also have clippers from other models of theirs and I found the patent that is from another manufacturer ( Willian Louis, del 8 nov. 1911 , con el numero de Patente 252014 ) and that they were manufactured in another workshop. Hermes ONLY marketed them

This is very interesting.

 

[alesmv]

It was something logical, an inventor made a model of razor, I finally had an object to sell, but the ones who had the best network were the sellers who exported, among them Emil Hermés, who over time, although at that time mainly manufactured cutlery and accessories for home kitchens, added this razor to its commercial distribution
Later he would end up manufacturing razors

 

[alesmv]

but there is something that does not exist now, and it did exist at that time of little industrial specialization, even that some brands manufactured parts from other brands, even from their own competition (!!!)
I have been able to verify this repeatedly in German industries.
Today a brand manufactures absolutely its entire range of products and distributes them, but in times or periods. Vintage was not like that!
The production of the EMIR brand, from Solingen, was also manufactured, at least some models, by Emil Hermes.
Some of the current models of the Merkur brand are patents that remain in the name of the previous owner of Emir STILL, which is something incomprehensible but real

 

[efsk]

@benedetto going back in this thread I noticed one of my own brochures that I've scanned and posted here, that has the model with the holes straight through the baseplate and pricing with RM. Seems the two types were used more or less simultaneously.

 

[benedetto]

@benedetto going back in this thread I noticed one of my own brochures that I've scanned and posted here, that has the model with the holes straight through the baseplate and pricing with RM. Seems the two types were used more or less simultaneously.

Yes, it's true Richard, I also noticed it years ago, but you should know that razors with bases without holes were removed from the market because they were considered dangerous... the reason is simple... not everyone washed it when they changed their razor blades well and the shaving foam and dry hair blocked the holes.. when the new blade was positioned and the handle screw was tightened the two protrusions were unable to enter the two corresponding holes and what happened was that by forcing the head of the razor it cracked or worse the blade moved making shaving dangerous. It was then that they opened the holes so that when the handle screw was tightened even if the holes were blocked the force of the two protrusions on the head carried any dirt accumulated in the holes to the outside. This is why Walbusch B3 razors with heads without holes are much rarer. I don't know exactly when (year) this change was made and the actual graphic update of the many brochures already around Germany at that time..
I hope I managed to convince you.
Saluti
Benedetto.

 

[benedetto]

I believed that this brand's models were manufactured by Emil Hermes' company, the company we currently know as Merkur, and that it also manufactured its same models but with other brands such as: Hoffritz, Pomco, Coles and Lunawerk, to be exported or sold by other commercial chains - as is this case -

The models were adapted by Emil Hermes to the demands of his purchasing client.
But I also have clippers from other models of theirs and I found the patent that is from another manufacturer ( Willian Louis, del 8 nov. 1911 , con el numero de Patente 252014 ) and that they were manufactured in another workshop. Hermes ONLY marketed them

Hi alesmv,
Let's be clear about that.. the head of the Walbusch was invented by Mr. Walter Busch. I am attaching a patent filed in Switzerland, England, Germany and Spain...

"diamo a Cesare quel che è di Cesare..." cit.

Saluti
Benedetto.

 

[alesmv]

I can agree that he is the one who patented it, even that he may be the one who designed it, (they are two circumstances that do not always occur in the same person).... but as far as I know they did not have a manufacturing workshop...
But they did store and sell through newspaper ads.

Their situation was so precarious that they had to take the orders to the train directly in a wagon pulled by themselves, because the only car they had had been requisitioned for the "war effort"..
I never knew they had a factory!

 

[benedetto]

I can agree that he is the one who patented it, even that he may be the one who designed it, (they are two circumstances that do not always occur in the same person).... but as far as I know they did not have a manufacturing workshop...
But they did store and sell through newspaper ads.

Their situation was so precarious that they had to take the orders to the train directly in a wagon pulled by themselves, because the only car they had had been requisitioned for the "war effort"..
I never knew they had a factory!

I never wrote that they had a factory. what they were.. I have already written in my previous posts, The Walbusch head was invented and designed by Mr. Walter Busch as evidenced by the patents filed and until proven otherwise. Walbusch B3 sales began in 1935 (well before the start of World War II (1939) and well before Germany began requisitioning metals for the "war effort" (1940 to 1945) and continued well beyond the end of the war... The Walbusch B3, like the B5, was an extraordinary success, so much so that the head was imitated by several other razor companies. As far as the company is concerned, Walbusch fared badly, just like the countless other German (and European) companies of those times.

(I don't want to be controversial, but you don't need to write in bold or capital letters so that I can understand..)

cordially

Benedetto

 

[benedetto]

Un po' di brochure..
some collector who knows about advertising maybe could help us date them...

I would love to understand who is the "Dr. W. Schulz, Wuppertal" which is mentioned in the brachure of the Walbusch B5 (yellow) signed on September 16, 1952.

Saluti
Benedetto.

 

[alesmv]

In the advertising the same manufacturer assures that the case is made of Polopas,
I thought it was Catalin, because really the discovery of dyes to color it is a German discovery, while the birth of Polopas resin is an American product, which in Brazil was called Polopast... but in Europe and the USA it was called Plaskon.

It is a material that has tension lines and over the years it shows defects, but the models in the photos and the one I have are in perfect condition with no lines of attention to any

Precisely 1927 is when all the manufacturers of radio devices began to manufacture with Catalín..., but if the manufacturer assures that the case is Polopast, we will have to accept that perhaps the object also knows it, so EFSK's statement is correct!

Más información:
https://refineriadecaballeros.wordpress.com/2021/02/09/1928-catalin/

1931 . Plaskon y Polopas en Brasil

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Rasiergerät noch Klingen wieder hergeben

 

[alesmv]

 

[benedetto]

Nella pubblicità lo stesso produttore assicura che la custodia è fatta di Polopas,
Pensavo fosse il Catalin, perché in realtà la scoperta dei coloranti per colorarlo è una scoperta tedesca, mentre la nascita della resina Polopas è un prodotto americano, che in Brasile si chiamava Polopast... ma in Europa e negli Stati Uniti si chiamava Plaskon.

E' un materiale che ha delle linee di tensione e nel corso degli anni mostra dei difetti, ma i modelli nelle foto e quello che ho sono in perfette condizioni senza linee di attenzione a nessuno

Precisamente il 1927 è l'anno in cui tutti i produttori di dispositivi radio hanno iniziato a produrre con Catalín..., ma se il produttore assicura che il caso è Polopast, dovremo accettare che forse anche l'oggetto lo sa, quindi l'affermazione di EFSK è corretta!

Más información:
https://refineriadecaballeros.wordpress.com/2021/02/09/1928-catalin/

1931 . Plaskon y Polopas en Brasil

Este es uno de la coleccion de post dedicados a dar a conocer los antiguos plasticos, presentes en muchos utiles de afeitado y sobre los que hay una enorme confusion . Se pueden agrupar y leer tod…

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The pollopas was invented in 1925 by the chemists Fritz Pollak and Kurt Ripper (Austrian), the pollopas was first presented to the public at the Vienna Autumn Fair in 1924. Walbusch and Merkur wrote pollopas in their pamphlets. indeed it is Pollopas... The "Catalin" was American and the "Edelkunstharz" was German has nothing to do with pollopas.

Saluti
Benedetto.

https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno-plus?aid=itj&datum=1926&page=608